Game of Thrones (TV, fantasy) Thread

[The Walrus]

On their way to the TER's weirwood tree-cave, yeah, there was one wight whose hands shot up from the snow and grabbed Jojen's legs, which turned into a scuffle with that merry group and the wight. The way his arm shoots up from the snow makes it look like the wight was coming up from underground, but there's not a whole lot of earth being shown so perhaps it was just a frozen corpse in some snow...

[cramx3]

On their way to the TER's weirwood tree-cave, yeah, there was one wight whose hands shot up from the snow and grabbed Jojen's legs, which turned into a scuffle with that merry group and the wight. The way his arm shoots up from the snow makes it look like the wight was coming up from underground, but there's not a whole lot of earth being shown so perhaps it was just a frozen corpse in some snow...

Yea, I don't think it was breaking through stone, but to raise a frozen corpse under snow seems plausible.  But those bodies were also pretty decomposed.  Maybe we are just thinking too deeply here too. 

[Chino]

On their way to the TER's weirwood tree-cave, yeah, there was one wight whose hands shot up from the snow and grabbed Jojen's legs, which turned into a scuffle with that merry group and the wight. The way his arm shoots up from the snow makes it look like the wight was coming up from underground, but there's not a whole lot of earth being shown so perhaps it was just a frozen corpse in some snow...

Yea, I don't think it was breaking through stone, but to raise a frozen corpse under snow seems plausible.  But those bodies were also pretty decomposed.  Maybe we are just thinking too deeply here too.

This is why I am going to miss this show so much. Sure, it's a great show in and of itself, but discussing it has become something I look forward to almost as much as watching it. When I was smoking up a meat storm last Saturday, one of my good buddies came over and it made for so much good conversation. Not just theories and future predictions, but reflections, and things we noticed. Talking about the world, and the map, and all the stuff we've seen along the way. It's almost more than a show at this point.   

The worst part about this show ending isn't going to be show being over. It's going to be the end of this kind of weekly banter and speculation. r/freefolk on Reddit is going to become a ghost town in a matter of months. It's going to be sad. 

[The Walrus]

Totally agree, Chino... I went out to dinner with a friend last night and we spent the better part of 2 hours discussing Game of Thrones, the last couple episodes, and where it's heading. I'm really going to miss that. Good thing I have Westworld to sink my teeth into 100% after this is over.

[lonestar]

Question since my memory fails me... Did bran ever tell anyone that it was Jamie that pushed him out the window?

[The Walrus]

Question since my memory fails me... Did bran ever tell anyone that it was Jamie that pushed him out the window?

Doesn't seem so, best indication being the scene between Jaime and Bran in the Godswood. Jaime asked about that, and Bran said something like, "You won't be of any use if my family kills you before the battle" or something.

[ariich]

Question since my memory fails me... Did bran ever tell anyone that it was Jamie that pushed him out the window?

Doesn't seem so, best indication being the scene between Jaime and Bran in the Godswood. Jaime asked about that, and Bran said something like, "You won't be of any use if my family kills you before the battle" or something.

Indeed and I loved Jamie's answer of "What about after the battle?"

[cramx3]

How do you know?

[lonestar]

Question since my memory fails me... Did bran ever tell anyone that it was Jamie that pushed him out the window?

Doesn't seem so, best indication being the scene between Jaime and Bran in the Godswood. Jaime asked about that, and Bran said something like, "You won't be of any use if my family kills you before the battle" or something.

Wonder if that's serving a higher purpose then, that Bran knows Jaime is crucial to the outcome against the dead army or something.

[MirrorMask]

I guess it will be fun to look back on these two episodes and realize how much foreshadowing has been dropped.

Last episode basically we said "goodbye" to everyone, so it's difficult to figure out who lives and who dies. If, say, we'd get an episode of tension and political scheming and we'd see only the single scene of Grey Worm discussing a solo carrer with Melisandre, we'd kinda know he's marked for death, but everyone basically had their "last nice moment before dying" scene so we don't really know.

[Chino]

We all know Starks are in stone down there, but are there other burials?  I just wonder how much their truly is to the crypts.  The Starks rising out of the stone seems unlikely to me, but we know they can be resurrected just as skeletons so the decomposing part doesn't seem to be an issue, it's just if they are together enough to form a body that can move I guess.  If there's more burials down there not in stone, I don't see why those couldn't rise.  If the Starks are stone mummies though, that will be really dumb IMO. 

My thinking at this point, we know there's a hidden way in/out of Winterfell through the crypts and Theon knows this.  I'm thinking it's more likely the escape route when Winterfell falls, than the choke point of death, although also a strong possibility.   Theon maybe leading the way but staying back to by time as his final sacrifice seems possible.  And I do think Winterfell falls and the survivors go off to Pyke to recover.  Maybe Dragonstone, but I think the show has mentioned Pyke being safe a couple times.

The Starks are buried in stone - just the kings afaik, plus Lyanna. They were buried with iron swords, and we know in the books WWs and wights don't like iron, so maybe that's a mechanism to prevent dead Starks from rising. In the books Ned mentions that some of the iron swords have rusted away, so maybe that's a way for some of them to rise. The mythical guy who built the crypts is the same guy who built the Wall, so he knew about the threat of WWs, the question is whether the stone is enough to keep the dead from rising and the iron swords are added weapons for anyone who would want to retreat to the crypt and fight the enemy there, or if the swords are what would keep the dead inside.

This post must have subconsciously triggered a dream I had last night.   

It was the very end of the series and the few remaining characters were making their last stand/were about to die in the iron throne room in King's Landing. Short on weapons, they literally ripped (unrealistic, I know) the iron throne apart and used the swords to eventually defeat the Night King. Once all was said and done, and the threat of winter was defeated, there was no more iron throne to fight for.

[Chino]

I guess it will be fun to look back on these two episodes and realize how much foreshadowing has been dropped.

Last episode basically we said "goodbye" to everyone, so it's difficult to figure out who lives and who dies. If, say, we'd get an episode of tension and political scheming and we'd see only the single scene of Grey Worm discussing a solo carrer with Melisandre, we'd kinda know he's marked for death, but everyone basically had their "last nice moment before dying" scene so we don't really know.

The only character that seem to be 100% safe in the next episode is Bronn.   

[cramx3]

I wouldn't even say that, since he is coming north and carrying Joffrey's crossbow.   My bet is Euron doesn't die 

But that's a cool idea of ripping the iron throne apart for the weapons.  Maybe get a dragon to breath fire to the base to melt it so you could rip the swords out of it, would be really cool.

[MirrorMask]

What about the Night King defeats everyone, sees the throne, sits on it just for the hell of it and pinches himself inadvertently with a sword of valaryian steel, dying and killing every White Walker in the process?



But seriously, maybe it's a bit too much clichè, but literally destroying the Iron Throne to have weapons is not such a bad idea.

[gmillerdrake]

Saw this online pertaining to the song Poddrick sung.....would certainly fit the 'bittersweet' ending that Martin as eluded to??

[MirrorMask]

That's basically how it happened for Robert Baratheon.

[Mladen]

That would be truly fantastic.

I for one loved the second episode. I have a feeling it will go down in history as the most sentimental and touching episode of the series. It truly sends chills down the spine.

[ErHaO]

I am not feeling it thus far. A lot of characters kind feel off and have plot armor since the last two seasons. The more hollywood blockbuster feel of last season, with all character warping all around the world to serve the plot, wasn't a problem for me because it delivered on the blockbuster moments. Great action and setpieces. But thus far this season has been boring. Understandably due to the situation the character are in and the need to build up, but boring nonetheless. There were some great moments though. But those only paid off because of the excellent past seasons and not due to any interesting new developments or situations of this or last season. And to be honest, I am getting a bit tired of Dany and Cersei and also Jon to a lesser extent. A lot of the character now border on being a bit one note and there hasn't been a lot in terms of character development for most of them for a good while now. I do really like Jaime's story though.

But shit is going down this week, so at least I expect a really entertaining/emotional episode. I expect quite a few characters to bite the dust.

[MoraWintersoul]

This is why I am going to miss this show so much. Sure, it's a great show in and of itself, but discussing it has become something I look forward to almost as much as watching it. When I was smoking up a meat storm last Saturday, one of my good buddies came over and it made for so much good conversation. Not just theories and future predictions, but reflections, and things we noticed. Talking about the world, and the map, and all the stuff we've seen along the way. It's almost more than a show at this point.   

The worst part about this show ending isn't going to be show being over. It's going to be the end of this kind of weekly banter and speculation. r/freefolk on Reddit is going to become a ghost town in a matter of months. It's going to be sad.

I hear ya. The day I gathered with my friend group to watch the entire first season together (we were all ASOIAF freaks) was one of the most beautiful days of my life. I drifted in and out of the show along the way but this fandom has meant so much to me.

But, speculation isn't nearly over for me after the show dies! Then begins the race of the ultimate anticipation - will GRRM finish the sixth book at all or not?  how different will it be from the show? Then, if he finishes it, we will speculate about how the seventh book is gonna go down, and if he will finish that one! This ride will last us like 10 more years 

[cramx3]

I definitely have plenty of my own personal memories watching this show including watching the whole series last year with my gf to catch her up (which maybe was my favorite of my many viewings of the show) but I think I've lost interest in the books.  I've lost hope and I kind of don't care anymore.  There's no way he finishes the books at this point IMO and while he could finish the next one and maybe one more in his life, since the story likely won't end in his books and the story is so deep at this point, I just don't see myself being hyped unless there was a plan to end the books.  I'm starting to feel like although GRRM isn't involved with the show anymore, this was necessary to have any sort of ending for the fans since we likely aren't getting one from GRRM.  I've become such a pessimist with regards to the books and I read them after he already finished them all.

[Progmetty]

This is why I am going to miss this show so much. Sure, it's a great show in and of itself, but discussing it has become something I look forward to almost as much as watching it. When I was smoking up a meat storm last Saturday, one of my good buddies came over and it made for so much good conversation. Not just theories and future predictions, but reflections, and things we noticed. Talking about the world, and the map, and all the stuff we've seen along the way. It's almost more than a show at this point.   

The worst part about this show ending isn't going to be show being over. It's going to be the end of this kind of weekly banter and speculation. r/freefolk on Reddit is going to become a ghost town in a matter of months. It's going to be sad.

Oddly enough I don't feel the same way. I think it's because I'm anticipating the spin-offs being similarly intriguing, that's too optimistic though.
I love Naomi Watts and she's gonna be the lead in the spin-off about the long night, pretty excited about that.

I wish they'd make a one-off HBO movie about Robert's Rebellion, I understand it's not on the table as a spin-off because people know everything there is to know about it but a TV movie would be a wonderful way to do it, I'd definitely see it! Especially if they use the amazing actors who played young Ned Stark and Arthur Dayne, they totally nailed it for their brief appearances. Even the glimpse we got of Rhaegar Targaryan was played by an actor who fit exactly my imagination of what Rhaegar looked like.

[MirrorMask]

I understand the story has been told, but hey, basically all the backstory of Westeros has been told so unless they come up with original ideas, people will already know the details.

I'm all for a prequel about Robert's Rebellion and I think it would connect direcrly into the events of Game of Thrones - forgetting for a moment that there was an actual book about it, the prequel for Lord of the Rings was The Hobbit, which had Bilbo and Gandalf in it and other characters people knew, it was not a random story from the Silmarillion.

About the books... gut feeling is that, in 2-3 years, we will eventually get The Winds of Winter. A Dream of Spring is unlikely to ever be finished.

[The Walrus]

If the books really are as expansive as everyone says, and have that many subplots that have to be tied up, I can totally see A Dream of Spring being GRRM's own "A Memory of Light" - in other words, A Dream of Spring being split up into multiple books. I recall reading that GRRM said WoW and ADoS would be 1500+ pages each and that was years ago, and he won't force an arbitrary number of books, so we could get even more. Hopefully in his lifetime. Would never wish anything bad upon the man but he ain't a spring chicken.

[MirrorMask]

Oh, another random thought - we know and the characters know that you have to burn the dead.

What if the battle for Winterfell is lost and they make the difficult yet rational decision to burn said dead... by deliberately torching Winterfell to the ground? either by setting it on fire or having Drogon taking care of it.

The secret passages out of Winterfell have been mentioned and so the Iron Islands being a fallback option in case things go wrong, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibilites that even if some of the heroes and most of the very main characters survive, they lose the battle, and so if they decide to run to fight another day, the wisest thing to do would be leaving less new recruits possible for the Night King.

[The Walrus]

That's a very interesting idea, MM. It would be awesome/tragic/awesome if Winterfell had to be burned as a last ditch effort.

[lonestar]

I was thinking earlier today that not only are we gonna lose some main characters tomorrow, but in the coming weeks they may be fighting for the other side. How does Arya battling undead little Lyanna Mormont sound? Or Jamie having to kill undead Brienne of Tarth. The mind boggles.

[MoraWintersoul]

I wish they'd make a one-off HBO movie about Robert's Rebellion, I understand it's not on the table as a spin-off because people know everything there is to know about it but a TV movie would be a wonderful way to do it, I'd definitely see it! Especially if they use the amazing actors who played young Ned Stark and Arthur Dayne, they totally nailed it for their brief appearances. Even the glimpse we got of Rhaegar Targaryan was played by an actor who fit exactly my imagination of what Rhaegar looked like.

I wouldn't mind a spinoff like that. GRRM said we would solve every mystery about Robert's Rebellion and the tournament by the end of the book, but there's no new books as of now, and loads of mysteries. Was Lyanna Stark the Knight of the Laughing Tree? How did they fall in love, and did they, or was it all for the prophecy? Was The Mountain explicitly ordered to brutalize the Targ kids and rape Elia? What do the Daynes know? Did Ashara hook up with one of the Starks? What does Howland Reed know? It would be so cool if we got the story of all of that. Even if we knew everything, I'd still pay good money to see Jaime killing the Mad King and Robert swinging a hammer around.

[The Walrus]

Got my errands and chores done, got my stein and libations ready... GO HUMANS!!

[Chino]

#TeamNightKing

I still think there's about a 15% chance of us not get the full battle tonight. I feel like Cersei's story needs to progress more.

[Adami]

I doubt we'll even get a knight king appearance in this episode, huge battle or not.

I'd like to see Bronn show up, see the battle from a distance and peace out.



Also I hope this episode is not as dark as the preview for it. God damn.

[Chino]

That episode was not was I expecting.

I kind of think I didn't like it. I need to let it marinade a bit.

[Adami]

.......woah.


Also not what I expected. Two REALLY dumb things happened, but I think I can forgive them based on how everything else happened.

[Progmetty]

ARYA YOU BEAUTIFUL MONSTER!!
I was so bummed out when they decided to do crypt zombies hehe, but everything else more than made up for it.

[Adami]

ARYA YOU BEAUTIFUL MONSTER!!
I was so bummed out when they decided to do crypt zombies hehe, but everything else more than made up for it.

Yea, that's where I am. Still hold that crypt zombies were an example of VERY dumb writing, but it didn't ruin the episode for me. Dany just hanging out while Drogon gets attacked was also very dumb. Again, didn't ruin it for me though.


Also, by the look of next episode, looks like Drogon survived? I'm pretty sure I saw two dragons.

[faizoff]

Wow was NOT expecting it to end that way!
I'm still reeling. RIP to the lost characters.

Dang I need to process that whole episode. Couldn't see shit for the first half.