Wall Street Protests

[Super Dude]

This is rather off-topic, but I'd just like to say the other 'news source' EV posted has an article about a 20-something who, and I quote, "reveals steamy details of 'sex' with Bieber."

[eric42434224]

EV joins a thread and swiftly turns it into an Obamaisthedevil thread, and shows, yet again, that he is unwilling to have any type of two way conversations or meaningful exchanges of views.  He is always right, you are always wrong.  Your proof is all lies and propaganda, and his proof is 100% fact, verifiable, and obvious.

It is painfully clear that EV is an extremely disruptive person in PR.  It matters not how nice he is, or how many times he says it is all in good fun.  It is trolling pure and simple, intentional or not.

I will not engage in any threads that he participates in, as they degrade into disasters so fast it is silly.

I encourage Moderators to put him on a short leash, as he can derail a thread into the same Obama crap faster than anything I have ever seen.

Good Day.

I said Good Day.

Eric

[EPICVIEW]

Great...then invite them to where you live and work and let the "largely peaceful" group squat on your property with no permits .. Im done with them...enjoy!!

if they hate Obama.. then why are they not in DC??? interesting ... anyplace but DC for some reason

Sometimes you actually make reasonable points.  Unfortunately,  it tends to get lost in all of the paranoid anti-Obama conspiracy bullshit.  It's a real shame you don't:  A. pick one point and stick with it,  and B. consider that not every single thing that happens in this country is part of Obama's grand scheme to enslave us all.  It really makes it impossible to have meaningful discussions with you even when you do have a valid point to make.  Quite disappointing, honestly.

I agree...what I see is disappointing.. This is orchestrated by Obamas proxies.. anyone with any objectivity can clearly see that..

I agree im disapointed..

people can't arguue with facts and it ruins their fairy tale of OWS... it has nothing to do with me, but I am the person showing the facts of what this movement is..

I went there....its a sesspool of radicals and the lost and confused and even criminals.. they are there for Obama...period.. and there is a lot of hatred of others there.. its disgusting and people who give thema  voice are culpable when it explodes and it has and it will..and thats what they want..they want "incidents" they are provocative  , noithing good going on there..

Look at AGs link..its a pure liberal Dem movement of hatred of the GOP..thats the agenda posted

[Sigz]

I'm kind of confused as to what the 'occupy' part is supposed to be. I understand it when it's Wall Street or DC or whatever, but some of these other locations don't make much sense. Like I saw a flier for "Occupy Isla Vista", which is the town I live in. It's literally just a town of 20,000 students packed into like 1.2 square miles, what exactly is the point? We're supposed to get outside and protest in the streets of the unincorporated shithole we live in?

[antigoon]

I'm kind of confused as to what the 'occupy' part is supposed to be. I understand it when it's Wall Street or DC or whatever, but some of these other locations don't make much sense. Like I saw a flier for "Occupy Isla Vista", which is the town I live in. It's literally just a town of 20,000 students packed into like 1.2 square miles, what exactly is the point? We're supposed to get outside and protest in the streets of the unincorporated shithole we live in?

I think the point is that you don't leave to prove how urgent your cause is.

[zxlkho]

Great...then invite them to where you live and work and let the "largely peaceful" group squat on your property with no permits .. Im done with them...enjoy!!

if they hate Obama.. then why are they not in DC??? interesting ... anyplace but DC for some reason

Sometimes you actually make reasonable points.  Unfortunately,  it tends to get lost in all of the paranoid anti-Obama conspiracy bullshit.  It's a real shame you don't:  A. pick one point and stick with it,  and B. consider that not every single thing that happens in this country is part of Obama's grand scheme to enslave us all.  It really makes it impossible to have meaningful discussions with you even when you do have a valid point to make.  Quite disappointing, honestly.

I agree...what I see is disappointing.. This is orchestrated by Obamas proxies.. anyone with any objectivity can clearly see that..

I agree im disapointed..

people can't arguue with facts and it ruins their fairy tale of OWS... it has nothing to do with me, but I am the person showing the facts of what this movement is..

I went there....its a sesspool of radicals and the lost and confused and even criminals.. they are there for Obama...period.. and there is a lot of hatred of others there.. its disgusting and people who give thema  voice are culpable when it explodes and it has and it will..and thats what they want..they want "incidents" they are provocative  , noithing good going on there..

Look at AGs link..its a pure liberal Dem movement of hatred of the GOP..thats the agenda posted

I weep for humanity...

[Sigz]

I'm kind of confused as to what the 'occupy' part is supposed to be. I understand it when it's Wall Street or DC or whatever, but some of these other locations don't make much sense. Like I saw a flier for "Occupy Isla Vista", which is the town I live in. It's literally just a town of 20,000 students packed into like 1.2 square miles, what exactly is the point? We're supposed to get outside and protest in the streets of the unincorporated shithole we live in?

I think the point is that you don't leave to prove how urgent your cause is.

But you're not accomplishing anything by doing it here. There's literally no one who would even be aware of it outside the town. Why not take the hour and a half and drive down to LA where there's at least some proximity to policy makers and media?

[EPICVIEW]

I'm kind of confused as to what the 'occupy' part is supposed to be. I understand it when it's Wall Street or DC or whatever, but some of these other locations don't make much sense. Like I saw a flier for "Occupy Isla Vista", which is the town I live in. It's literally just a town of 20,000 students packed into like 1.2 square miles, what exactly is the point? We're supposed to get outside and protest in the streets of the unincorporated shithole we live in?

great question.. it begs a good answer.. lets see if we can figure out why..why do you think Sigz?

[antigoon]

I'm kind of confused as to what the 'occupy' part is supposed to be. I understand it when it's Wall Street or DC or whatever, but some of these other locations don't make much sense. Like I saw a flier for "Occupy Isla Vista", which is the town I live in. It's literally just a town of 20,000 students packed into like 1.2 square miles, what exactly is the point? We're supposed to get outside and protest in the streets of the unincorporated shithole we live in?

I think the point is that you don't leave to prove how urgent your cause is.

But you're not accomplishing anything by doing it here. There's literally no one who would even be aware of it outside the town. Why not take the hour and a half and drive down to LA where there's at least some proximity to policy makers and media?

Oh, I see what you mean. I dunno.

[EPICVIEW]

Great...then invite them to where you live and work and let the "largely peaceful" group squat on your property with no permits .. Im done with them...enjoy!!

if they hate Obama.. then why are they not in DC??? interesting ... anyplace but DC for some reason

Sometimes you actually make reasonable points.  Unfortunately,  it tends to get lost in all of the paranoid anti-Obama conspiracy bullshit.  It's a real shame you don't:  A. pick one point and stick with it,  and B. consider that not every single thing that happens in this country is part of Obama's grand scheme to enslave us all.  It really makes it impossible to have meaningful discussions with you even when you do have a valid point to make.  Quite disappointing, honestly.

I agree...what I see is disappointing.. This is orchestrated by Obamas proxies.. anyone with any objectivity can clearly see that..

I agree im disapointed..

people can't arguue with facts and it ruins their fairy tale of OWS... it has nothing to do with me, but I am the person showing the facts of what this movement is..

I went there....its a sesspool of radicals and the lost and confused and even criminals.. they are there for Obama...period.. and there is a lot of hatred of others there.. its disgusting and people who give thema  voice are culpable when it explodes and it has and it will..and thats what they want..they want "incidents" they are provocative  , noithing good going on there..

Look at AGs link..its a pure liberal Dem movement of hatred of the GOP..thats the agenda posted

I weep for humanity...

I hear ya bro.. I do.. its a mess.. we should all be concerned how it will end with OWS..

[Rathma]

they are there for Obama...period..

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/occupy-wall-street-protesters-anti-obama-plan-skip-2012-election-fordham-poll-finds-article-1.970614?localLinksEnabled=false

More than half of the Zuccotti Park protestors voted for President Obama in 2008. But 73% now disapprove of the commander- in- chief and 25% plan to skip the 2012 election, according to a survey by Fordham University.

I've been down to Liberty Square three times and there is no atmosphere of really supporting Obama... and definitely not his policies.

[Super Dude]

Good Day.

I said Good Day.

Eric

'I, the undersigned, shall forfeit all rights, privileges, and licenses herein and herein contained,' et cetera, et cetera... 'Fax mentis incendium gloria culpa m,' et cetera, et cetera...'Memo bis punitor della cattum!' It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You stole fizzy lifting drinks. You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, so you get nothing! You LOSE!

[zxlkho]

There was an Occupy Blacksburg for a while. Not sure if they're still around though

I hear ya bro.. I do.. its a mess.. we should all be concerned how it will end with OWS..

That was directed at you.

[EPICVIEW]

There was an Occupy Blacksburg for a while. Not sure if they're still around though

I hear ya bro.. I do.. its a mess.. we should all be concerned how it will end with OWS..

That was directed at you.

well then thats not very nice.. Im talking on subject..

[Dark Castle]

There was an Occupy Blacksburg for a while. Not sure if they're still around though

I hear ya bro.. I do.. its a mess.. we should all be concerned how it will end with OWS..

That was directed at you.

well then thats not very nice.. Im talking on subject..

No you're not.  You're parading the idea that Obama is a devilish fiend behind violence and the "cesspool" of humanity.

[Super Dude]

How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

[Nick]

EpicView is currently banned from P/R for a posting style I've warned him about in the past and I know others have as well.

EV joins a thread and swiftly turns it into an Obamaisthedevil thread, and shows, yet again, that he is unwilling to have any type of two way conversations or meaningful exchanges of views.  He is always right, you are always wrong.  Your proof is all lies and propaganda, and his proof is 100% fact, verifiable, and obvious.

It is painfully clear that EV is an extremely disruptive person in PR.  It matters not how nice he is, or how many times he says it is all in good fun.  It is trolling pure and simple, intentional or not.

I will not engage in any threads that he participates in, as they degrade into disasters so fast it is silly.

I encourage Moderators to put him on a short leash, as he can derail a thread into the same Obama crap faster than anything I have ever seen.

Good Day.

I said Good Day.

Eric

While I generally agree with what you said, it is not proper to put that here and wish you refrain from such actions in the further. You can write all that while reporting a post, and I suggest that is the course of action for the future.

[73109]

This thread makes me incredibly happy and incredibly pissed at the same time. It's like watching a bully get his ass kicked yet you always have his douche friend talking about how the other kid really didn't hurt his friend all that badly.

[eric42434224]

EpicView is currently banned from P/R for a posting style I've warned him about in the past and I know others have as well.

EV joins a thread and swiftly turns it into an Obamaisthedevil thread, and shows, yet again, that he is unwilling to have any type of two way conversations or meaningful exchanges of views.  He is always right, you are always wrong.  Your proof is all lies and propaganda, and his proof is 100% fact, verifiable, and obvious.

It is painfully clear that EV is an extremely disruptive person in PR.  It matters not how nice he is, or how many times he says it is all in good fun.  It is trolling pure and simple, intentional or not.

I will not engage in any threads that he participates in, as they degrade into disasters so fast it is silly.

I encourage Moderators to put him on a short leash, as he can derail a thread into the same Obama crap faster than anything I have ever seen.

Good Day.

I said Good Day.

Eric

While I generally agree with what you said, it is not proper to put that here and wish you refrain from such actions in the further. You can write all that while reporting a post, and I suggest that is the course of action for the future.

I will post as PM in the future.
Also, I grew up playing hockey with John LeClair. 
Brown-nosing complete.

[orcus116]

I'm curious to see the results of Bank Transfer Day on Saturday.

Probably minuscule results, at least compared the supposed number of committed. The type of people that claim to want to participate in these things are the same types that seem to get lax when it comes to actually doing something. I fully support the move to a credit union (just did it myself) but I dunno if this is going to fly/have a big impact.

[Super Dude]

I'm sure I'll do it eventually, probably not on bank transfer day. It'll probably get annoying though cuz people will say "OMFG YOU DIDNT DO IT ON BANK TRANSFER DAY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM!?"

[Scheavo]

I'm curious to see the results of Bank Transfer Day on Saturday.

Probably minuscule results, at least compared the supposed number of committed. The type of people that claim to want to participate in these things are the same types that seem to get lax when it comes to actually doing something. I fully support the move to a credit union (just did it myself) but I dunno if this is going to fly/have a big impact.

Many local credit unions are already reporting a 25-50% increase in their membership, since the beginning of OWS.

The big problem is the little guys don't have money, and the rich are still going to keep their money in... their banks. 50% of the country moving away form the big banks would only mean like... 20% of the wealth not being in the big banks.

I mean, I'm going to do it... but I doubt Wells Fargo is going to miss my like $150 all that much.

[Perpetual Change]

Even Stewart is having his doubts now:

https://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-november-3-2011-brad-paisley

[antigoon]

Should everyone just go home because a small percentage of people got rowdy?

[Perpetual Change]

At this point, it'd probably be more productive to the cause.

[antigoon]

Oh come on. It's over if everyone goes home. How is that productive to anything?

Guy asks a cop why he has tape over his name badge.
https://vimeo.com/31568216

[Perpetual Change]

Honestly, unless they straighten up I feel like it's going to be worse than it'd be if it was just "over." They should be moving toward order and solidarity, not chaos. But they have to go either way, or else go home. And right now, it's looking like they find chaos a lot more attractive.

[antigoon]

What happened yesterday in Oakland is not reflective on the hundreds of other occupations.

edit: hundreds? prob not

[Perpetual Change]

Maybe. But are you not also a little disappointed that none of this energy has been funneled into actually saying something and getting something done? 6 weeks ago, You, Superdude, myself, and others defended this protest together from lots of people who weren't even giving the protesters a chance, but I can't help feeling like it's not going anywhere productive anymore.

[Riceball]

Maybe. But are you not also a little disappointed that none of this energy has been funneled into actually saying something and getting something done? 6 weeks ago, You, Superdude, myself, and others defended this protest together from lots of people who weren't even giving the protesters a chance, but I can't help feeling like it's not going anywhere productive anymore.

Bam.

[Scheavo]

Maybe. But are you not also a little disappointed that none of this energy has been funneled into actually saying something and getting something done? 6 weeks ago, You, Superdude, myself, and others defended this protest together from lots of people who weren't even giving the protesters a chance, but I can't help feeling like it's not going anywhere productive anymore.

Bam.

I'll ask you guys again:

What do you want them do? What would be "productive" in your eyes?

Honestly, unless they straighten up I feel like it's going to be worse than it'd be if it was just "over." They should be moving toward order and solidarity, not chaos. But they have to go either way, or else go home. And right now, it's looking like they find chaos a lot more attractive.

How exactly do you expect them to keep everyone in line? If a very small percentage move towards chaos, and the rest move towards order (as in, how many helped clean up after the events, and many others have condemned), why then judge the small percentage for people they are not, and do not control? Since it is such a small percentage, how do we know they aren't being intentionally riled up, in some cases? Or that they actually represent the OWS movement?

[Super Dude]

But are you not also a little disappointed that none of this energy has been funneled into actually saying something and getting something done?

I gotta be honest, anybody saying something or getting something done is sorta on hold until after elections. Once Romney gets the big chair or Obama is put back in, then the one of them will either put down the protests violently/denounce them publicly or respond to their plight.

[Perpetual Change]

Or these people can start organizing, and thinking how they can have a positive impact on the election your talking about! It is not too late for that. Why not?

[Super Dude]

I'm not saying that's how it should be, that's just how it's gonna happen.

[antigoon]

Maybe. But are you not also a little disappointed that none of this energy has been funneled into actually saying something and getting something done? 6 weeks ago, You, Superdude, myself, and others defended this protest together from lots of people who weren't even giving the protesters a chance, but I can't help feeling like it's not going anywhere productive anymore.

No, I'm not. 6 weeks isn't a terribly long time for a movement that started from nothing. It's already shifted debate and discourse; I'm happy about that alone.