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Started by Lucidity, December 17, 2012, 07:28:25 PM

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Shooters1221

Quote from: erwinrafael on April 17, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
Isn't James always serious when he sings Another Day?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s454AqHEu8I

My interpretation of this James thing is watching this video compared to the newer one, James seems to hit most of the notes that he doesn't in the latest one and he is frustrated with himself about it and I really don't have any issues with that at all. That's JMO, but I don't see him frustrated in the Holiday video, yes he's serious, of course, due to the lyric.

Prog Snob

Quote from: kingshmegland on April 17, 2017, 05:44:59 AM
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Quote from: kingshmegland on April 16, 2017, 04:09:00 PM
Controversial,  yes.

Bashed accordingly,  yes.

Sorry, I should have known better than picking an argument with the guardian of all the right opinions!

Math wins here and you sir, are in the minority.

No It doesn't

Is this a Monty Python skit? :lol

No, it isn't.

King Postwhore

"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

bosk1


Prog Snob


King Postwhore

Oh!  I'm in the wrong thread.  It's next door!
"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

Prog Snob

 :lol

I have a somewhat controversial opinion actually. I think PMU was intentionally ended abruptly.

Dublagent66

Um...it was intentional.  Fact not opinion.  :biggrin:

rumborak

Once I saw MM not look at JP in a spot where he usually does. Pretty sure it's because the day before JP cut in line at the breakfast table, snagging the last sausage links. A friend who knows the band told me, it's legit. I think the band is breaking up.

bosk1


rumborak

Dude, I can't name names, but my source is rock solid. He lives down the street from JP's guitar tech, that is, where the tech used to live. I mean, the *street name* is the same, it's actually a different city.

King Postwhore

"I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'." - Bon Newhart.

Zook

I don't think James sounds that good at all anymore live.

His studio work is still great though.

ReaperKK

I gotta disagree Zook. I haven't seen him in a few years but when he is on, he is on. I'm not the biggest JLB fan but I'll the first to say when he nails it, it's really something else.

Evai

Quote from: Zook on April 17, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
I don't think James sounds that good at all anymore live.

His studio work is still great though.

I agree completely <3 <3 The last DVD was hard to listen to. I feel like Portnoy destroyed JB's voice, always pushing him to sing more aggresively and 'metal' in the studio doing 20 takes for each line, causing him to sing in an unnatural way, and now he has bad habits and sounds terrible.

MirrorMask

He's still consistent and good enough to enjoy the performances and appreciate his soft voice and the moments he actually hits those high notes. I know that "good enough" is not a standard for DT performances, but unless he's sick or has a really bad night, he's still enjoyable.

ReaperKK

Quote from: Evai on April 18, 2017, 04:20:12 AM
Quote from: Zook on April 17, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
I don't think James sounds that good at all anymore live.

His studio work is still great though.

I agree completely <3 <3 The last DVD was hard to listen to. I feel like Portnoy destroyed JB's voice, always pushing him to sing more aggresively and 'metal' in the studio doing 20 takes for each line, causing him to sing in an unnatural way, and now he has bad habits and sounds terrible.

I know portnoy gets a lot of flak and a lot of times he deserves it but I don't think he destroyed jlb's voice

SeRoX

Quote from: Evai on April 18, 2017, 04:20:12 AM
The last DVD was hard to listen to.

Uhmm what? I can't get enough Finally Free, Strange Dejavu yet. Overall, better than Luna Park to me.

Prog Snob

Quote from: SeRoX on April 18, 2017, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: Evai on April 18, 2017, 04:20:12 AM
The last DVD was hard to listen to.

Uhmm what? I can't get enough Finally Free, Strange Dejavu yet. Overall, better than Luna Park to me.

That's why it's controversial....and also ridiculous.

Evai

I mean yeah, slight hyperbole to get my point across.. Singing is subjective to the point that anybody can enjoy anything, which is a good thing :)

Prog Snob

Quote from: Evai on April 18, 2017, 10:59:34 AM
I mean yeah, slight hyperbole to get my point across.. Singing is subjective to the point that anybody can enjoy anything, which is a good thing :)

I should have added the  ;D  after I said it was ridiculous. I was just being facetious. Personally, I love Breaking the Fourth Wall. It's not 10 out of 10, but I did enjoy it better that Luna Park.

cramx3

Quote from: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 11:43:17 AM
Quote from: Evai on April 18, 2017, 10:59:34 AM
I mean yeah, slight hyperbole to get my point across.. Singing is subjective to the point that anybody can enjoy anything, which is a good thing :)

I should have added the  ;D  after I said it was ridiculous. I was just being facetious. Personally, I love Breaking the Fourth Wall. It's not 10 out of 10, but I did enjoy it better that Luna Park.

Yea, I also enjoy it more than Luna Park.

Prog Snob

Quote from: cramx3 on April 18, 2017, 11:56:01 AM
Quote from: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 11:43:17 AM
Quote from: Evai on April 18, 2017, 10:59:34 AM
I mean yeah, slight hyperbole to get my point across.. Singing is subjective to the point that anybody can enjoy anything, which is a good thing :)

I should have added the  ;D  after I said it was ridiculous. I was just being facetious. Personally, I love Breaking the Fourth Wall. It's not 10 out of 10, but I did enjoy it better that Luna Park.

Yea, I also enjoy it more than Luna Park.

If I remember correctly, Luna Park had that blue smurf issue in the beginning of the video. And of course there is the glaring sound problem.

cramx3

Yea, it was mostly the poor sound that makes it less enjoyable than BtFW.  Both have awesome setlists and great performances though. 

Prog Snob

I agree. I guess we should be thankful it wasn't Chaos in Motion. The song selection was good, but not great. I loved that they played Blind Faith, Take the Time, TMoLS, etc. The ancillary footage was much more impressive.

cramx3

Quote from: Prog Snob on April 18, 2017, 12:53:05 PM
I agree. I guess we should be thankful it wasn't Chaos in Motion. The song selection was good, but not great. I loved that they played Blind Faith, Take the Time, TMoLS, etc. The ancillary footage was much more impressive.

Yea the problem with CiM wasn't the setlists or performances either, but it was the audio AND video quality that was poor.  I also enjoyed a lot of that extra footage between songs too.  I'd love a high quality version of Blind Faith.

Scottjf8

Breaking All Illusions is better than any song on BCSL and SC.

MirrorMask

I'm not sure it's that controversial  :D

BlobVanDam

I find BAI overrated and largely dull. Out of BCASL and SC, I'd maybe rate it over TBOT and POW, and that's it (and even then, the TBOT outro solo is actually better than all of BAI).


That's how you do it, boys. :biggrin:

TheCountOfNYC

Quote from: Scottjf8 on May 05, 2017, 10:55:41 PM
Breaking All Illusions is better than any song on BCSL and SC.

Between those two albums, I only like The Count of Tuscany more, and I rate that song much higher than most people on here.

Actually, come to think of it, that would be one of my controversial opinions...

The Count of Tuscany is Dream Theater's second best song.

erwinrafael

TCOT would have been great if the stanza and chorus is not so much below the quality of the other sections of the song.

BlobVanDam

I think the chorus is fine, but the verse sections I agree let down an otherwise incredible song. The opening instrumental in particular I think ranks up there with anything else they've done, as does that outro.

Kotowboy

Quote from: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2017, 02:54:42 AM
I think the chorus is fine, but the verse sections I agree let down an otherwise incredible song. The opening instrumental in particular I think ranks up there with anything else they've done, as does that outro.

In my opinion : The Count of Tuscany > > Illumination Theory.

I.T is just way too disjointed in the beginning and it pretty much copies the ambient section from the Count of Tuscany.

TCOT has that awesome verse riff and IT changes riffs every few bars, which is a bit annoying to me.

MirrorMask

Quote from: Kotowboy on May 06, 2017, 03:07:46 AM
In my opinion : The Count of Tuscany > > Illumination Theory.

Mine too.

KevShmev

Quote from: erwinrafael on May 06, 2017, 02:50:53 AM
TCOT would have been great if the stanza and chorus is not so much below the quality of the other sections of the song.

Agreed. Minutes 4-9 (roughly) not being nearly as good as the intro or the last half of the song prevent me from ranking it too highly anymore. I still think the song does a great job of not feeling overly long; those 19 minutes really do fly by quickly.