Haken v. new single Nightingale (April 26)

[Implode]

Does anyone else get a slight Mars Volta vibe from the chorus of Lapse, or is that just me?

[Dellers]

What's up with everyone liking The Mountain so much? It's by far my least favorite Haken record.

[Crow]

because it's the best by far 

[Train of Naught]

What's up with everyone liking The Mountain so much? It's by far my least favorite Haken record.

Are you actually surprised though? It's not like everyone hated it and all of a sudden it's the best Haken album, it's left that impression on me since the very first listen.

[jakepriest]

What's up with everyone liking The Mountain so much? It's by far my least favorite Haken record.

Because people love the Cockroach. I mean it's the worst Haken song ever, but people love it here.

[Nekov]

What's up with everyone liking The Mountain so much? It's by far my least favorite Haken record.

I'm with you here, I know there's lots of people that love it but I think it's their worst effort to date.

[Crow]

worst haken song is the minds eye tbh which is still a pretty solid song so

[Train of Naught]

What's up with everyone liking The Mountain so much? It's by far my least favorite Haken record.

Because people love the Cockroach. I mean it's the worst Haken song ever, but people love it here.

I SYMPATHIIIIIIZE, WITH A COCKROACH,


AND A COCKROACH!

[Crow]

[home]

What's up with everyone liking The Mountain so much? It's by far my least favorite Haken record.

Because people love the Cockroach. I mean it's the worst Haken song ever, but people love it here.

How can Cockroach King be the worst Haken song ever 

[jakepriest]

worst haken song is the minds eye tbh which is still a pretty solid song so

The Mind's Eye isn't even the worst song on Visions imo.

[Enigmachine]

When I think of The Mind's Eye in the context of the TME/Portals/Shapeshifter trilogy, it becomes a lot stronger (though it's good on its own too, even though the track doesn't have a proper standalone ending).

[Crow]

actually I forgot about restoration tbh but I'd still take darkest light over minds eye slightly

[Nekov]

worst haken song is the minds eye tbh which is still a pretty solid song so

[Implode]

Mind's Eye gets a bad rap. It's terribly underrated.

My least favorite Haken song is Nocturnal Conspiracy. It's just so boring to me, but apparently tons of people like it.

[BlackInk]

While The Mountain isn't my favorite Haken album (it's my #3), I do consider it the album where they truly defined themselves. The two albums before it, while great, sounded a bit like they were still developing their sound.

And I think Cockroach King is really cool, but it's not my favorite on the album. It's somewhere in the middle for me.

[mike099]

What's up with everyone liking The Mountain so much? It's by far my least favorite Haken record.

Because people love the Cockroach. I mean it's the worst Haken song ever, but people love it here.

How can Cockroach King be the worst Haken song ever 

The video of cockroach with the muppets is funny

The mountain rules!

[KevShmev]

I won't bag on Cockroach King anymore, since I've stated my dislike for it more than enough , but I will say that aside from that song, The Mountain is consistently very good. Most of the Haken songs I like are from it.

[Scorpion]

Cockroach King is delightfully quirky in a way that no other Haken song really is. I wouldn't want an album full of songs like that, but I think it's perfect for what it is.

[Implode]

And I think Cockroach King is really cool, but it's not my favorite on the album. It's somewhere in the middle for me.

Ditto for me.

[Crow]

Cockroach King is delightfully quirky in a way that no other Haken song really is. I wouldn't want on album full of songs like that, but I think it's perfect for what it is.

exactly

[jakepriest]

Nah. I just can't stand listening to it. Everything from the instruments to the vocals just puts me off.

[Sacul]

DT12 is one album I regret buying, but it ended with my DT fanboyism so it was worth it I guess? Oh, back to Haken...

The Mountain is their best album and they'll never surpass it. And I'm fine with that 

[King Postwhore]

I don't get the "I regret" stuff. DT12 is not bad. It's average. I Olympic regret terrible albums. It's not at that bad level. 


On the Haken front,  I just love the last two albums a ton.

[Mosh]

I don't get the "I regret" stuff. DT12 is not bad. It's average. I Olympic regret terrible albums. It's not at that bad level. 

This. Sometimes I get the feeling on this forum that some people actively want to dislike DT. It's bizarre. Every time Haken does something there has to be a discussion on how much better than DT they are. I don't know why it matters.

[jakepriest]

I don't get the "I regret" stuff. DT12 is not bad. It's average. I Olympic regret terrible albums. It's not at that bad level. 

This. Sometimes I get the feeling on this forum that some people actively want to dislike DT. It's bizarre. Every time Haken does something there has to be a discussion on how much better than DT they are. I don't know why it matters.

Because DT12 is bad, not average. 

[Crow]

i'd like DT more nowadays if they were putting out better music 

[King Postwhore]

Please. It's not that bad. People exaggerate to make a point.

Folks. I have really enjoyed the last 2 Haken albums more than DT.  That doesn't lessen my love for DT.  It's not  race, ranking or a list. It's my love for music. Sometimes bands kill it. Sometimes they miss the mark.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Haken lacks something DT had very early on: Their huge MTV exposure/huge brand endorsement and recognition that came to them during the I&W tour.

I can't see any 'prog metal' band being bigger than DT in the near future for that very simple reason. I love Haken with all my heart and I do think that the future of prog lies with them, but I can't see them playing Madison Square Garden ever, you know? They're probably gonna stay as the new poster boys of prog, playing awesome shows to 1000 peeps per night, but I can't imagine them going further (as DT did back in their time). Hope I'm wrong, tho. These guys deserve the best.

Also, a big lol and facepalm at the people comparing The Astonishing and Affinity.

[Mosh]

DT is a fluke. Even they werent able to replicate the success they had with PMU. But they more or less defined a genre, which very few can say.

One thing to also keep in mind is that DT of the early 90s had a lot traits that were fashionable in Metal at the time. I don't think it's a coincidence that glam metal gets discussed as frequently as it does by some of the older members here. If a Prog metal band was to hit DT level success again, it'd have to be a band that embraces trendy sounds.

[King Postwhore]

Haken lacks something DT had very early on: Their huge MTV exposure/huge brand endorsement and recognition that came to them during the I&W tour.

I can't see any 'prog metal' band being bigger than DT in the near future for that very simple reason. I love Haken with all my heart and I do think that the future of prog lies with them, but I can't see them playing Madison Square Garden ever, you know? They're probably gonna stay as the new poster boys of prog, playing awesome shows to 1000 peeps per night, but I can't imagine them going further (as DT did back in their time). Hope I'm wrong, tho. These guys deserve the best.

Also, a big lol and facepalm at the people comparing The Astonishing and Affinity.

Anen.  I'm just happy I got to see them live,,

[425]

What's up with everyone liking The Mountain so much? It's by far my least favorite Haken record.

Because people love the Cockroach. I mean it's the worst Haken song ever, but people love it here.

Cockroach King has very little to do with why I love The Mountain. It's one of my less favorite of the main songs on there—still very, very good, but just not in my list of favorites. The album is just impressive all the way through. Each and every song is fantastic. It's really just one of those that's fantastic top to bottom. I know it has its big fans, but I don't get why you would think that Cockroach King is THE reason people like The Mountain?

worst haken song is the minds eye tbh which is still a pretty solid song so

The Mind's Eye is pretty cool though. I'd rate it ahead of Insomnia. Which I guess is the worst Haken song? I don't know. Or Streams. Or Darkest Light. Or something from Affinity, idk. But either way, "worst Haken song" is like "least beautiful Miss Universe contestant."

I don't get the "I regret" stuff. DT12 is not bad. It's average. I Olympic regret terrible albums. It's not at that bad level. 

This. Sometimes I get the feeling on this forum that some people actively want to dislike DT. It's bizarre. Every time Haken does something there has to be a discussion on how much better than DT they are. I don't know why it matters.

Because DT12 is bad, not average. 

DT12 is, in fact, neither bad nor average. It's actually really good.

Mosh, I get that sense sometimes, too. Then again, I think there's a general trend among music fans to describe a band's early material as better than it is and their later material as worse than it is, and I think that may play into how DT12 and TA get talked about.

[Mosh]

Mosh, I get that sense sometimes, too. Then again, I think there's a general trend among music fans to describe a band's early material as better than it is and their later material as worse than it is, and I think that may play into how DT12 and TA get talked about.

For sure. DT is definitely in that stage of their career where there's always going to be naysayers for the new stuff, it just seems weird to me that a forum dedicated to the band has such a vocal (albeit small) segment of posters who seem almost proud of themselves for not liking DT anymore.

[KevShmev]

Sometimes I get the feeling on this forum that some people actively want to dislike DT. It's bizarre. Every time Haken does something there has to be a discussion on how much better than DT they are. I don't know why it matters.

I don't get it either.  It's like some Haken fans can't just enjoy their music; they have to make it a contest.  It's weird.

Also, a big lol and facepalm at the people comparing The Astonishing and Affinity.

Agreed.  The Astonishing is so much better that it is definitely LOL-worthy to compare Affinity to it.

[Sacul]

I don't get the "I regret" stuff. DT12 is not bad. It's average. I Olympic regret terrible albums. It's not at that bad level. 

Exactly that, I don't want average albums sitting on my shelves accumulating dust because I never play them - I haven't listened to DT12 in almost 2 years now.

And I still love some DT records, like Six Degrees and Awake  I just think after the former they went downhill.