Haken v. new single Nightingale (April 26)

[Tomislav95]

Maybe you should go back and re-read this thread.  DT fans aren't charging in here to be spoil sports and rain on the Haken parade; it is the big time Haken fans who are almost always starting the DT comparisons, and given that this is a DT forum and everywhere likes the band to some degree, it only makes sense that those of us in this thread who like DT way more are on their side when the DT vs Haken thing comes up.

No need to re-read anything.  I never said DT fans are charging in here.  I said Haken fans don't go over to the DT side and make those comparisons.  You said the comparisons are silly, yet you are adding fuel to it with your own comparisons.  Pretty silly.

Seems like there may be a bit of a disagreement over whether the Haken thread on the Dream Theater forum is Haken's turf or Dream Theater's turf.



EDIT: I accidentally changed the date on one of the quotes to 1974. I'm just going to leave it.

[GasparXR]

You should have changed it to 1985.

Wow, ninja'd.

[425]

[Crow]

Now it's turned to Toxicity

[Dr. DTVT]

I Olympic regret terrible albums.

This is one of the better Kinganese / autocorrects I've seen in a while, because it kind of makes sense.

Also, wanted to give Parama props for his four panel comic. 

[King Postwhore]

 

Holy crap.

[Train of Naught]

Does anyone know how the three supporting acts are scheduled? On my ticket it doesn't say anything about which supporting act is opening for Haken, and I assume it's not going to be all three of them unless they play like 20 minute sets.

Arkentype sounds awesome by the way.

[ariich]

Nah it's two support acts for any given bit of the tour - I think it should say on the tour schedule or maybe some older Facebook posts from them which bands are playing at which.

I know we're getting Arkentype in London, which I'm excited for as they're absolutely bonkers Norwegian prog metal, very fun.

[Train of Naught]

Found the post on FB, thanks here it is: https://www.facebook.com/HakenOfficial/photos/a.102809109743.113889.102787549743/10154022585164744/?type=3&theater

Looks like we're getting Arkentype and Special Providence in The Netherlands.

[Nick]

I know we're getting Arkentype in London, which I'm excited for as they're absolutely bonkers Norwegian prog metal, very fun.

But are they better than the opening act Dream Theater would have?

[Estiui]

So how much time will each band play? I don't want an 80 minutes gig from Haken so that other two bands can play 60 minutes. Not to disrespect the other bands, I know that they want to promote themselves and I'm fine with that, but it always happens that live music has to end at a certain time (depending on the city) and then the last band has to cut its setlist

[ariich]

So how much time will each band play? I don't want an 80 minutes gig from Haken so that other two bands can play 60 minutes. Not to disrespect the other bands, I know that they want to promote themselves and I'm fine with that, but it always happens that live music has to end at a certain time (depending on the city) and then the last band has to cut its setlist

Just so you know, Haken's sets are always around an hour and a quarter, maybe hour and a half at most. So 80 minutes is probably about right, and that has nothing to do with the support acts' set lengths.

[mike099]

So how much time will each band play? I don't want an 80 minutes gig from Haken so that other two bands can play 60 minutes. Not to disrespect the other bands, I know that they want to promote themselves and I'm fine with that, but it always happens that live music has to end at a certain time (depending on the city) and then the last band has to cut its setlist

Just so you know, Haken's sets are always around an hour and a quarter, maybe hour and a half at most. So 80 minutes is probably about right, and that has nothing to do with the support acts' set lengths.

As good as Haken's material is, it will be tough to make an 80 or 90 minute set list. 

[jakepriest]

Affinity.exe
Initiate
In Memoriam
The Architect
Earthrise
Nocturnal Conspiracy
1985
The Endless Knot
Pareidolia
Celestial Elixir

86 minutes. I'd kill for a setlist like this.

[ariich]

So how much time will each band play? I don't want an 80 minutes gig from Haken so that other two bands can play 60 minutes. Not to disrespect the other bands, I know that they want to promote themselves and I'm fine with that, but it always happens that live music has to end at a certain time (depending on the city) and then the last band has to cut its setlist

Just so you know, Haken's sets are always around an hour and a quarter, maybe hour and a half at most. So 80 minutes is probably about right, and that has nothing to do with the support acts' set lengths.

As good as Haken's material is, it will be tough to make an 80 or 90 minute set list. 

Not sure what you're saying - do you mean it would be hard to fill 90 minutes, or it would be hard to wittle down to only 90 minutes?

[ariich]

Affinity.exe
Initiate
In Memoriam
The Architect
Earthrise
Nocturnal Conspiracy
1985
The Endless Knot
Pareidolia
Celestial Elixir

86 minutes. I'd kill for a setlist like this.

Didn't they say on Facebook (or possibly an interview) that the set will be pretty balanced across their albums? So I very much doubt we'll get 1985 and The Architect. Just one is possible, but I doubt both.

[Train of Naught]

Every part of me hopes they'll play The Architect but if it's true they're balancing out the albums (which is great because I love The Mountain and Aquarius) I think they will give the edge to 1985, definitely one of the fan favorites, probably the favorite.

Fantasy setlist time?

1. affinity.exe
2. Initiate
3. Cockroach King
4. Aquarium
5. The Endless Knot
6. Insomnia
7. Shapeshifter
8. Drowning in the Flood
9. The Architect
---
10. Falling Back to Earth

Aquarius: 2
Visions: 2
The Mountain: 2
Affinity: 3 (4 if you count .exe)

I think this fits? Not entirely sure but I think so.

[jakepriest]

I think this fits? Not entirely sure but I think so.

It doesn't. There's Cockroach King. 

[Mladen]

What's with the hate towards Cockroach King? I think it's a pretty sick tune. 

[Evermind]

If I ever see Haken live, I definitely want them to play Cockroach King at that show.

[King Postwhore]

I've seen them play Cockroach King live.

[BlackInk]

Yeah, it's a great live song. "gimme some jaaazz!"

[me7]

They shouldn't start with affinity.exe. Start with two older songs, Darkest Light followed by Cockroach King would be a great opening, and after the crowd is hyped go into affinity.exe/Initiate/1985

Too bad Haken (and many other smaller prog bands) never set foot Vienna. They tour circles around it and play in cities with less then a tenth the population, but not here.

[Crow]

you turned your back on cockroachfinity
now it's turned to kingxicity

[Estiui]

The Path
Atlas Stone
In Memoriam
Streams
Insomnia
The Path Unbeaten
(Conner Green bass solo)
Pareidolia
Cockroach King
Falling Back to Earth
Shapeshifter
Because It's There
Visions
Celestial Elixir


I've seen this setlist live, clocking around 2 hours. I don't know why they should play only 80 minutes, if they're not doing festivals.

[Mladen]

I've only been listening to Haken for a few months, but I'll give it a shot constructing an ideal set list.

1. Affinity.exe/Initiate
2. Cockroach King
3. Aquarium
4. Earthrise
5. Insomnia
6. Falling back to Earth
7. As death embraces
8. Premonition
9. Nocturnal conspiracy
10. The Point of no return
11. Atlas stone
- - - -
12. Celestial elixir

There are a few more songs I consider great, but this show would be long enough.

[LordCost]

Affinity.exe\Initiate
1985
Cockroach King
Earthrise
The Point Of No Return
Insomnia
Darkest Light
As Death Embraces
Pareidolia

Encore:
The Architect
Celestial Elixir

I would be happy with something like this, giving myself the constraint of at least one or two songs per album as Ariich said this year the setlist will be balanced. Maybe there's time for another song, I didn't checked the minutes but it's around 90 I think.

Last time I saw Haken there was an encore with Visions + Celestial Elixir. I hope they will repeat something similar.

[Crow]

you turned your bacon affinity
now it's turnip to toxicity

[Dublagent66]

What's with the hate towards Cockroach King? I think it's a pretty sick tune. 

No idea why CK is disliked.  Just because it's a little quirky doesn't make it bad.  I find it a rather interesting listen.

[mike099]

So how much time will each band play? I don't want an 80 minutes gig from Haken so that other two bands can play 60 minutes. Not to disrespect the other bands, I know that they want to promote themselves and I'm fine with that, but it always happens that live music has to end at a certain time (depending on the city) and then the last band has to cut its setlist

Just so you know, Haken's sets are always around an hour and a quarter, maybe hour and a half at most. So 80 minutes is probably about right, and that has nothing to do with the support acts' set lengths.

As good as Haken's material is, it will be tough to make an 80 or 90 minute set list. 

Not sure what you're saying - do you mean it would be hard to fill 90 minutes, or it would be hard to wittle down to only 90 minutes?

Sorry, I meant wittle down to 90 minutes.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

I hate when I go to the circus and all they fucking play is ... Wait. Nevermind.

[Nick]

I've seen them play Cockroach King live.

6 times.

[King Postwhore]

I've seen them play Cockroach King live.

6 times.

.You are a whore.

[Nick]

I've seen them play Cockroach King live.

6 times.

.You are a whore.

I prefer the term disciple.

[King Postwhore]

Painting a pig......

Well,  Rich out whores us all!