DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!

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JediKnight1969

JP has hinted that next album will be musically inspired by the band's current "Images, Words & Beyond" tour!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/john-petrucci-no-new-dream-theater-album-until-2019/

:D

Mladen

inb4 "but dey already did that with ADTOE"  :lol

Interesting, nonetheless. I actually did think the first two albums with Mangini reconnected with the band's roots after the modern, contemporary-influences-driven albums of the 00s.  So while that idea doesn't sound fresh on paper, it might actually be executed well.

goo-goo

Hope the band demos at least some songs and let the songs breath before hitting the record button.

JM seems to have a studio at his home now (Jelly Jam EPK on their last album). Hopefully this opens up the writing a bit more within the band.

The Walrus

Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

don_waka

Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

cramx3

Quote from: don_waka on November 08, 2017, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

mikeyd23

Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: don_waka on November 08, 2017, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

Yeah I agree cram, if I had to guess I'd say they are going to aim for ADTOE dipped in ToT.

Herrick

Interesting. No new album until 2019.
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: don_waka on November 08, 2017, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

I thought A Dramatic Turn of Events was pretty great so if they do something like that again then I'd buy that for a dollar. The only new news (to Herrick anyway) in that little article is there will be no new album next year.
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Renzo

Back to their roots? Hell yes!! It's gonna be a tremendous long wait but probably it's worth it. About the "more metal or less metal" argument, an album like IAW, Awake or even WDADU will have the perfect balance between prog and metal, not as heavy for the sake of it like TOT and not as classic prog like TA (which I love, don't get me wrong)

Evai

Quote from: don_waka on November 08, 2017, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

James would have to retrain a bit. he doesn't really have a middle ground anymore. He either does metal, or breathy falsetto

chaotic_ripper

Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: don_waka on November 08, 2017, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

rumborak

I hope this means he releases his solo album in 2018.

Polarbear

I'm glad that they will be taking their time with the next album.

Self titled and The Astonishing had some good ideas, but to me those ideas felt half-baked.

So yeah, take all the time you need with the songwriting. I'm also on board for a back to basics album!

cramx3

Quote from: chaotic_ripper on November 08, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: don_waka on November 08, 2017, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

pcs90

I wouldn't say ADTOE was a super metal album either though...heavy sections sure, but overall pretty balanced. If that's what they're going for again I 100% support it.

MirrorMask

Quote from: pcs90 on November 08, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
I wouldn't say ADTOE was a super metal album either though...heavy sections sure, but overall pretty balanced. If that's what they're going for again I 100% support it.

Me too, I want a "naturally heavy" album for lack of a better term, I want Awake heavy - three notes of The Mirror's intro is all you need to kick ass, not This Dying Soul's second half heavy.

Dublagent66

A progressive metal band/album should be "naturally heavy".  Hence the word "metal".  :justjen

The direction they went with TA just doesn't compute.

The Walrus

Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)

gzarruk

I love the last 3 albums, so I don't mind the direction they take for the next album, I just want it to be a little more experimental this time.

Herrick

It'll be interesting to see how a "back to basics" approach but with 8-string guitar will come how.
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Mosh

"Back to the roots" tends to be the kiss of death for a bands creativity. If it comes naturally then so be it, but I would rather not hear an intentional rehash of past material

Cool Chris

Quote from: Polarbear on November 08, 2017, 10:21:34 AM
So yeah, take all the time you need with the songwriting....

Except he said it will be so long from now at least partially due to G3, which is really annoying for those of us who'd rather have new DT material.

And yeah back to basics often means "we are tapped out of ideas and no one likes are new stuff anyway... So let's try to write stuff we thought was cool when we were in our 20s."

The Walrus

I for one am still waiting for John Petrucci's next solo album... just kidding, that thing will never ever get made... Damn it! I should've asked him that Saturday night!! Aw man...  :(

JayOctavarium

Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 12:24:49 PM
I for one am still waiting for John Petrucci's next solo album... just kidding, that thing will never ever get made... Damn it! I should've asked him that Saturday night!! Aw man...  :(

Shit. it's been so long, I've forgotten what his first solo album was even called...

Dublagent66

Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 11:08:26 AM
Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)

Did I say entirely?  No.  Didn't say power metal either.

mikeyd23

I'd love if JP found the time in 2018 to put out another solo album. Or at least record the new songs he already performed live on previous G3 tours and do an EP.

The Walrus

Quote from: Dublagent66 on November 08, 2017, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 11:08:26 AM
Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)

Did I say entirely?  No.  Didn't say power metal either.

I was just making conversation about sticking to genres and labels, dude. Sorry...

Madman Shepherd

James also hinted about a specific direction. I got the sense in whatever interview that was it would be a little different from usual. Seems like they've put a lot of thought into it.

jingle.boy

Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on November 08, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.
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devieira73

I think you are reading too much into this. I guess JP is only assuring that the new CD won't be a progression of TA's style - they are aware that TA was controversial - and it will be in a more expected DT style. I'm sure that DT will come up with something at least a bit different, like they always do IMO.

The Walrus

Quote from: jingle.boy on November 08, 2017, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on November 08, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.

You not liking it doesn't mean it sucked  :biggrin:

Dream Team

Quote from: jingle.boy on November 08, 2017, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on November 08, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.

:lol Great album

cramx3

Quote from: Dream Team on November 08, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: jingle.boy on November 08, 2017, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on November 08, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.

:lol Great album

Yea TA was fantastic, I get the criticisms though.

Madman Shepherd

Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Dream Team on November 08, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: jingle.boy on November 08, 2017, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
Quote from: chaotic_ripper on November 08, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.

:lol Great album

Yea TA was fantastic, I get the criticisms though.

...and likewise, I thought it sucked but I get why people like it. 

Zydar

Sounds great to me, I&W is my favourite DT album so if it means something in that style again (yeah, ADTOE was great too) then I'm all for it.