Haken thread v. "Evening With" tour (some set spoilers)

[KevShmev]

To be clear, they've always been a metal band and that isn't changing. But Vector and Virus were narrower in scope and tone than usual, and very focused on guitar-driven metal/riffs, which is not the case on Fauna.

I don't see that at all.  I get that you are close to the band and know a lot more about them than I do, but the debut does not sound like a metal album at all.  Even with the Dream Theater-isms on that album, it sounds like a rock band much more keen on prog than metal, IMO.

Maybe we define metal differently but it has always been - to the band, journalists, and vast majority of fans - a prog metal album.

EDIT: How about a translation without genre labels.

To be clear, they've always had plenty of heavy riffs and dark sections in their music and that isn't changing. But Vector and Virus were narrower in scope and tone than usual, and more focused and reliant on dark, heavy, guitar-driven riffs, which is not the case on Fauna.

Well, people love their labels, but I am just saying, if I had heard the band for the first time at the end of 2010 with only the debut to consider, and without reading any reviews or anything, even with the one growling section in Streams, I wouldn't have thought that they were a metal band.  That's it. 

Fair enough. It's interesting to me though. Maybe a combination of the production being generally lighter and thinner, and the music being more whimsical.

All good!  I try not to get too hung up on labels. Must be a part of getting older.

[Zydar]

The Alphabet Of Me (Single, December 9)

Very Blade Runner inspired artwork.

[ariich]

Very Blade Runner inspired artwork.

A good observation.

[emtee]

Another WOW on the artwork!

First listen on the 9th will be with headphones. Can't wait.

[frogprog]

Wow indeed! That is some cool.artwork

[cramx3]

+1 on the love of the new artwork

[hefdaddy42]

+1 on the love of the new artwork

+ 2

[Kram]

+1 on the love of the new artwork

+ 2

+ 3

[jammindude]

Is there a preorder going on yet? Did I miss it? Can't find it on their FB page.

[ariich]

Is there a preorder going on yet? Did I miss it? Can't find it on their FB page.

I imagine pre-orders will accompany the full album announcement, which I think will probably be around the time the next single is released.

[Buddyhunter1]

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/haken/fauna/

why is it sometimes possible to rate unreleased albums and sometimes not? ban these two people ffs

Hey Ariich, Tone_Zone from RYM wants you banned.

[Evermind]

Hey Ariich, Tone_Zone from RYM wants you banned.

Yeah I agree with the guy. This is bollocks.

[King Postwhore]

 

[ariich]

I have commented in my defense, but yeah I do actually agree with him about locking albums until release.

[Max Kuehnau]

I have commented in my defense, but yeah I do actually agree with him about locking albums until release.

IIRC, when The Astonishing came out, there were some reviews on there that were clearly written prematurely as it were. Nothing has changed it seems.

[KevShmev]

This is the drawback to reviews at those online sites now.  So many of them are kneejerk reaction reviews, both positive and negative, and I feel like you really have to live with an album for a bit before giving a good and fair review.

[DTwwbwMP]

This is the drawback to reviews at those online sites now.  So many of them are kneejerk reaction reviews, both positive and negative, and I feel like you really have to live with an album for a bit before giving a good and fair review.

[jammindude]

This is the drawback to reviews at those online sites now.  So many of them are kneejerk reaction reviews, both positive and negative, and I feel like you really have to live with an album for a bit before giving a good and fair review.

So much this!

I have a 5 spin minimum, but to truly digest a new album can take me several weeks and dozens of spins before I can form any real and clear opinions. Any "first impressions" are always tainted by several possibilities. "New car smell" is one. "Shock" can be another.

[KevShmev]

I have a 5 spin minimum, but to truly digest a new album can take me several weeks and dozens of spins before I can form any real and clear opinions. Any "first impressions" are always tainted by several possibilities. "New car smell" is one. "Shock" can be another.

Very true.   

[me7]

In this instance however, I'm sure that ariich had enough time to let the album sink in before he posted that score

[ariich]

In this instance however, I'm sure that ariich had enough time to let the album sink in before he posted that score

I feel confident in saying that I've had enough time with and listens to it to form a pretty conclusive opinion. I'm up to 50 listens on my PC alone, which doesn't include listens on my phone when out and about which I'd guess would be another 10 or 20.

[devieira73]

So... this album is excellent or you are trying really hard to like it!

[MinistroRaven]

Short snippet

https://fb.watch/heYgQzPOox/?mibextid=qC1gEa

[jammindude]

Short snippet

https://fb.watch/heYgQzPOox/?mibextid=qC1gEa

Ooooooooooo! I really REALLY liked that!!!

[Metro]

9/12/2022? So this has been released already?

[cramx3]

Oh you europeans and your dates! 

[gzarruk]

Oh you europeans and your dates! 

Actually, the rest of the world and our dates

[nick_z]

Oh you europeans and your dates! 

To go on that tangent...As a European that now lives in the US, I'm still having trouble with mm/dd/yyyy vs. dd/mm/yyyy  Never quite understood the rationale of mm/dd instead of dd/mm...I mean, I get doing yyyy/mm/dd (especially if one wants to sort stuff by date and such), but why mm/dd/yyyy?

Actually, the rest of the world and our dates

Precisely 

[cramx3]

Oh you europeans and your dates! 

Actually, the rest of the world and our dates

whatever! Take your metric system too

[King Postwhore]

Marc pulling a moment.

[hefdaddy42]

Oh you europeans and your dates! 

To go on that tangent...As a European that now lives in the US, I'm still having trouble with mm/dd/yyyy vs. dd/mm/yyyy  Never quite understood the rationale of mm/dd instead of dd/mm...I mean, I get doing yyyy/mm/dd (especially if one wants to sort stuff by date and such), but why mm/dd/yyyy?

Because we do it how you say it.  We say that today is "December 6th, 2022", so we write it 12/06/2022.  That's why your way makes no sense to US.  To say it the way you write it, we would have to say that today is "The 6th of December, 2022" which is not how we would normally say it except maybe at some kind of formal function or announcement.

That's all it is.

[nick_z]

Oh you europeans and your dates! 

To go on that tangent...As a European that now lives in the US, I'm still having trouble with mm/dd/yyyy vs. dd/mm/yyyy  Never quite understood the rationale of mm/dd instead of dd/mm...I mean, I get doing yyyy/mm/dd (especially if one wants to sort stuff by date and such), but why mm/dd/yyyy?

Because we do it how you say it.  We say that today is "December 6th, 2022", so we write it 12/06/2022.  That's why your way makes no sense to US.  To say it the way you write it, we would have to say that today is "The 6th of December, 2022" which is not how we would normally say it except maybe at some kind of formal function or announcement.

That's all it is.

No, I know, and it makes sense if you look at it that way, for sure.

I have these conversations with my wife often (although not as often as those about measurement systems) and she often tells me she can't take it anymore  But since I'm at it, I will just add there is no reasonable circumstance where the US measurement system makes more sense than the metric system, other than being born using it 

[hefdaddy42]

I will just add there is no reasonable circumstance where the US measurement system makes more sense than the metric system, other than being born using it 

Oh, I agree with that wholeheartedly.

[me7]

https://theoatmeal.com/pl/senior_year/science

This settles the metric/imperial system discussion once and for all.

[Metro]

https://theoatmeal.com/pl/senior_year/science

This settles the metric/imperial system discussion once and for all.

This I agree with, and I'm American.
The date debate, I stand firmly with mm/dd/yyy