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Soooo….how about DT tried this for once?

Started by joevaicci, August 29, 2024, 03:22:58 PM

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joevaicci

Hey there, first post in AGES!
I don't even remember the e-mail I used when I opened my original account, over 15 years ago I think.

So here's a quick idea. You know how DT have played full-album covers when they booked 2 back-to-back shows in a major city. Like Master of Puppets in Barcelona, Dark Side of the Moon in Amsterdam and even their own WDADU in its entirety in LA on the second night.

What if they did a whole set, or even a whole show, of tracks from their solo albums or side projects. Imagine a show with covers from Petrucci's albums, Jordan's albums, MullMuzzler, LaBrie's newer stuff, Platypus, Jelly Jam, LTE, Liquid Trio Experiment, something from 'an Evening with JP & JR', OSI and of course MP's trillion gigs like Transatlantic, Flying Colors etc. Raw Dog could also be added to please those who have been asking for a live version for ages.
I don't suppose it should be trickier to navigate whatever legal issues than the aforementioned album covers. They even released those covers under their own label. Don't know how they pulled that one off by the way.

What would be your ideal track choices for this hypothetical show? I'll start with a couple for me: Czar of Steel (Derek Sherinian track from Blood of the Snake with JP as a guest-2006) & His Voice (MullMuzzler's Keep it to Yourself – 1999).

TheBarstoolWarrior

What was your username 15 years ago? Asking for a friend.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.


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TheBarstoolWarrior

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Quote from: joevaicci on August 29, 2024, 03:57:36 PMThe same :metal

Ok, cool. Just curious. You remind me of a feller who was here not too long ago. He had some letters and numbers in his name and could be awfully belligerent. But since you say this is your first post in ages I guess you can't be him.

Nice to meet you!
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Skeever

First off, welcome back to the forums, and I hope what I'm about to say does not discourage you from posting further as it's just my opinion:

If I paid for DT and got Mullmuzzler I would die.

There's so much DT stuff that they could not possibly please every fan even sticking to their own catalog, there's no need to be playing other bands or side project music.

devieira73

#6
Not a full set, but as a part of a special "fan club" show... I would prefer it much more than to play a cover album. I would love to see DT play a song like Platt Opus or His Voice, as a personal wish. Sure it's just an hipothetical conversation, as I think something like that it's virtually impossible in reality.

HOF

Quote from: Skeever on August 29, 2024, 06:08:15 PMFirst off, welcome back to the forums, and I hope what I'm about to say does not discourage you from posting further as it's just my opinion:

If I paid for DT and got Mullmuzzler I would die.

There's so much DT stuff that they could not possibly please every fan even sticking to their own catalog, there's no need to be playing other bands or side project music.

I'd rather hear DT play Mullmuzzler than about half of their albums, but it would be ironic if MP rejoined DT and played an album full of Mangini material that wasn't DT. 

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CraftyCaleb2483

I would love to hear 'The Similitude Of A Dream' and 'The Great Adventure' back to back

hefdaddy42

Not to rain on the OP's thread, but this is a terrible idea and will never ever happen.

If they were a typical prog metal band that goes on "tour" (a couple of festivals and a handful of European gigs) once every 7 years, playing to a few hundred fans at most, while still working day jobs, this would be interesting.  But they are a professional band, a big fish in a little pond.  This concept would be economic suicide.
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pg1067

Quote from: joevaicci on August 29, 2024, 03:22:58 PMWhat if they did a whole set, or even a whole show, of tracks from their solo albums or side projects.

Unless they announced this prior to the time of selling tickets, I'm fairly sure that would piss off 90+% of the crowd (including me if I happened to have the misfortune of attending).
Feelin' kinda spooky.

HOF

When Marillion do their weekend conventions, they usually have one kind of oddball night (at least when they were still doing 3 nights) where they play rarities or covers or do something kind of gimmicky (like playing 26 songs titled from A-Z in order). If DT were doing something like that, where everyone knew they would have two nights of DT and a third night of covers or side project stuff, it would probably go over ok. Though it certainly doesn't always go over well with Marillion fans (last year fans complained because they did a set of all slower/quieter songs, which I thought was brilliant but everyone has their own opinions). 

joevaicci

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Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on August 29, 2024, 05:39:28 PMNice to meet you!

Nice to meet you too buddy :coolio

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 30, 2024, 06:45:27 AMThis concept would be economic suicide.

I mean, I'm talking about half a show really. I doubt it would ruin their careers or something. Not even the Astonishing could do that :rollin  :corn  ;)

Quote from: pg1067 on August 30, 2024, 08:52:17 AMUnless they announced this prior to the time of selling tickets, I'm fairly sure that would piss off 90+% of the crowd (including me if I happened to have the misfortune of attending).

I don't know whether they announced anything the last times they did this when they covered Iron Maiden, Pink Floyd etc. I guess in the times of social media they would have to drop a few hints about this being a 'special' or 'different' show.

Not to mention, they are the kind of band that has been touring constantly every other year for 40 years now. So, they could 'sacrifice' a set for the sake of doing something different. And also give some of their material a bit of live exposure given a lot of this stuff has never been played live.

devieira73

Quote from: HOF on August 30, 2024, 10:05:02 AMWhen Marillion do their weekend conventions, they usually have one kind of oddball night (at least when they were still doing 3 nights) where they play rarities or covers or do something kind of gimmicky (like playing 26 songs titled from A-Z in order). If DT were doing something like that, where everyone knew they would have two nights of DT and a third night of covers or side project stuff, it would probably go over ok. Though it certainly doesn't always go over well with Marillion fans (last year fans complained because they did a set of all slower/quieter songs, which I thought was brilliant but everyone has their own opinions). 

Realistically, it would be possible (and awesome) if DT did something like a Marillion Weekend every now and then and kind of brought something from their side projects together for one night (again, more interesting to me than classic covers). But I still wonder if they would have enough fans interested in this idea, even among their hardcore fanbase

Stadler

Quote from: joevaicci on August 30, 2024, 11:25:36 AMI don't know whether they announced anything the last times they did this when they covered Iron Maiden, Pink Floyd etc. I guess in the times of social media they would have to drop a few hints about this being a 'special' or 'different' show.

Not to mention, they are the kind of band that has been touring constantly every other year for 40 years now. So, they could 'sacrifice' a set for the sake of doing something different. And also give some of their material a bit of live exposure given a lot of this stuff has never been played live.

I can't say that I've personally seen a specific advisement that "this is going to happen", but I do know there were specific rules as to when it COULD happen and Mike seemingly felt comfortable that all involved, including the audience, were fully informed.

Stadler

Quote from: devieira73 on August 30, 2024, 11:58:28 AMRealistically, it would be possible (and awesome) if DT did something like a Marillion Weekend every now and then and kind of brought something from their side projects together for one night (again, more interesting to me than classic covers). But I still wonder if they would have enough fans interested in this idea, even among their hardcore fanbase

I mean, "Moresefest!", no?  Why would this be any different than that? I think I might be less inclined to do a "Theaterfest" though.  I'd have to think about that for a minute. 

KevShmev

Quote from: Stadler on August 30, 2024, 12:03:06 PMI can't say that I've personally seen a specific advisement that "this is going to happen", but I do know there were specific rules as to when it COULD happen and Mike seemingly felt comfortable that all involved, including the audience, were fully informed.

That was not the case for the first several shows when they covered Master of Puppets (and anyone who says differently is categorically wrong or misinformed :P).  Only after there was a bit of fan backlash the second time they did it was it made clear to the fanbase that a 2nd show in the same city at the time would feature them covering a classic album.

Cool Chris

Quote from: pg1067 on August 30, 2024, 08:52:17 AMUnless they announced this prior to the time of selling tickets, I'm fairly sure that would piss off 90+% of the crowd (including me if I happened to have the misfortune of attending).

And by "announced" I would want more than "It was noted on the drummmer's web forum."
Maybe the grass is greener on the other side because you're not over there fucking it up.

ytserush

Quote from: HOF on August 30, 2024, 10:05:02 AMWhen Marillion do their weekend conventions, they usually have one kind of oddball night (at least when they were still doing 3 nights) where they play rarities or covers or do something kind of gimmicky (like playing 26 songs titled from A-Z in order). If DT were doing something like that, where everyone knew they would have two nights of DT and a third night of covers or side project stuff, it would probably go over ok. Though it certainly doesn't always go over well with Marillion fans (last year fans complained because they did a set of all slower/quieter songs, which I thought was brilliant but everyone has their own opinions). 
Quote from: Stadler on August 30, 2024, 12:04:18 PMI mean, "Moresefest!", no?  Why would this be any different than that? I think I might be less inclined to do a "Theaterfest" though.  I'd have to think about that for a minute. 

Would something like that make any sense to put together when they retired from the touring grind?

cfmoran13

Quote from: KevShmev on August 30, 2024, 05:42:04 PMThat was not the case for the first several shows when they covered Master of Puppets (and anyone who says differently is categorically wrong or misinformed :P).  Only after there was a bit of fan backlash the second time they did it was it made clear to the fanbase that a 2nd show in the same city at the time would feature them covering a classic album.
I don't think it was announced at the time the tickets went onsale.  I only bought a ticket for the 1st NYC show when they went onsale. Their "2nd show" cover album idea was debuted at the 2nd stop on the tour in Chicago.  I can't remember if it was assumed or announced that this would happen at every double-stop in a city. I ended up meeting up with another fan a few days before the NYC shows to buy a ticket for the 2nd show because it had sold out. 

OpenYourEyes311

Quote from: ytserush on August 31, 2024, 06:18:11 PMWould something like that make any sense to put together when they retired from the touring grind?

I think... maybe? Of course I love the idea of doing any kind of "especially special" shows. But I would imagine a DT-fest would bring in a heck of a lot more people than a Morsefest, so they'd need a pretty big venue. And what would they do? Full albums? I feel like they've already toured with the first ones they'd do (Images and Scenes). So then what? I wouldn't want to hear covers. Maybe one show is a big full on show, and one is acoustic-y and like a Storytellers type thing.

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pg1067

Quote from: Angini on September 13, 2024, 06:47:52 AMRealizing that your username is Joe Satrini + Steve Vai + John Petrucci tri-hybridized is a very fun touch. Welcome!

Welcoming a person who joined the Forum before you did?
Feelin' kinda spooky.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: pg1067 on September 13, 2024, 08:41:08 AMWelcoming a person who joined the Forum before you did?
I've seen this trick before...
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