Kamelot

[MoraWintersoul]

I think my main issue with the album is that I've heard it like 4 or 5 times and outside of Sacrimony, I can't remember a single melody or riff. Though I enjoy the hell out of the album when I listen to it.

I could sing along to half of the stuff when it came to the second part of the song during my first listen. Too catchy, almost.

[Adami]

I think my main issue with the album is that I've heard it like 4 or 5 times and outside of Sacrimony, I can't remember a single melody or riff. Though I enjoy the hell out of the album when I listen to it.

I could sing along to half of the stuff when it came to the second part of the song during my first listen. Too catchy, almost.

...while I'm listening to it. That is true.


But after I have finished listening to the album? Several hours later, I can only remember Sacrimony.

[RuRoRul]

I think my main issue with the album is that I've heard it like 4 or 5 times and outside of Sacrimony, I can't remember a single melody or riff. Though I enjoy the hell out of the album when I listen to it.

I could sing along to half of the stuff when it came to the second part of the song during my first listen. Too catchy, almost.

...while I'm listening to it. That is true.


But after I have finished listening to the album? Several hours later, I can only remember Sacrimony.

Yeah, I get this. Required a good number of listens before I started having more random songs from it stuck in my head, and even then a lot of it's not as memorable as, say, The Black Halo.

But then again, there's not that many albums where I can remember all the tunes after just one listen. I've never got how people seem (or claim) to be able to have have such in depth opinions of albums after one listen - I need to listen to an album several times before I even consider myself to know the songs.

[Adami]

Oh I agree. But I've listened to Silverthorn at least 4 or 5 times now and still can't keep any melodies in my head for more than an hour tops.



Though this will obviously change with time, it's still a flaw.

[RuRoRul]

Oh I agree. But I've listened to Silverthorn at least 4 or 5 times now and still can't keep any melodies in my head for more than an hour tops.



Though this will obviously change with time, it's still a flaw.

Agreed.

[cramx3]

Thorn, song for jolee, falling like the Fahrenheit, solitaire are all very catchy

[Adami]

Thorn, song for jolee, falling like the Fahrenheit, solitaire are all very catchy

Did I use the word catchy? Bad choice on my part then. They are catchy as all hell.


Just not very memorable, to me at least.

[Orthogonal]

What possessed them to name another song "Solitaire", it makes things confusing.

I think Adami describes it pretty well. When you are listening to the album, you are enjoying what you hear, but I barely remember anything when it's done. This will probably be a grower with me.

[cramx3]

Thorn, song for jolee, falling like the Fahrenheit, solitaire are all very catchy

Did I use the word catchy? Bad choice on my part then. They are catchy as all hell.


Just not very memorable, to me at least.

To each his own, but not memorable and catchy are similar in meaning.

And yeah, two songs named solitaire is dumb.

[GuineaPig]

I'm really disappointed in this album.  Songs are unmemorable and the production sucks.  Had big hopes based on "Sacrimony."

[MetalMike06]

I'll probably pass on this one, as I did with the last one as well.

[kirksnosehair]

Ok, well, I decided to give them a chance and bought the MP3 album.  I've listened to it a few times now and I think it's.....pretty good.  I definitely prefer this to "Poetry for the Poisoned"


I don't really hear the "terrible production" that everyone's talking about either.  It doesn't sound as good as "The Black Halo" which I think is their creative and sonic high water mark, but I think it sounds OK.  A bit on the dull side, but I've heard much, much worse than this.


It took a good 5 or 6 listens for the melodies to sink in, and I'd have to categorize the closing song as kind of boring, but overall I think it's a step in the right direction and Tommy sounds great on vocals.


I'll give it 3.5 out of 5 stars

[Adami]

So....does any one else not hear the future Mrs. Adami on the closing track? I listened to it for her a bunch of times, but alas only hearing Roy, I mean Tommy.


Also it seems that for the most part, Kamelot on this CD forgot how to end songs and instead just....end them randomly after a chorus or something.

[cramx3]

They certainly forgot how to end an album, Continuum is really a big let down for an album ender.

[Adami]

They certainly forgot how to end an album, Continuum is really a big let down for an album ender.

Yea, I just skip it.

[kirksnosehair]

Yes, I totally agree, the closing track is a snoozer.  Which I find very odd because they used to come up with some of the most killer album closers. 

[wolfking]

Hmmm.....not really digging this album too much.  At this stage Poetry is much better, but it could be a grower just like that one was.

[Adami]

After listening to this album like 10 or so times, I think I figured out the two main problems.


1. Thomas Youngblood
2. Thomas Youngblood


He just seems to have no creativity or inspiration on this album. Tommy is clearly doing his best working with very bland music but even his amazing vocals can't save this cd from mediocrity. I'd say musically this album is a 4/10 but Tommy's vocals bump it up to a 6 or 7/10.

Seriously, I wish bands would only write music when very inspired to do so. This clearly wasn't the case with this CD. It seems they just wanted another Kamelot album and did the minimum effort to make one.

[faemir]

Kamelot have nosedived since The Black Halo.

[cramx3]

Seriously, I wish bands would only write music when very inspired to do so. This clearly wasn't the case with this CD. It seems they just wanted another Kamelot album and did the minimum effort to make one.

Whether or not the band was insprired to write this album, I cant say, but they probably felt a strong need to do it just to move on from the Khan era and start new with Tommy.

Kamelot have nosedived since The Black Halo.

They did, but I think they are on the uprise now.  Silverthorn is much better than Poety or Ghost Opera.  How much higher can they go, I dont know, but I doubt they will ever be as good as they were with the Black Halo, that album is just too good.

[cramx3]

Finally got my pre-ordered limeted edition set in the mail.  I didn't realize it came with a small 44 page hard covered book with the written story of Silverthorn.  I'll have to give it a read.  The bonus song, Grace, is pretty good.

[kirksnosehair]

Kamelot have nosedived since The Black Halo.

I definitely agree with this.  And I've seen it happen with plenty of bands.  They all seem to reach a creative peak and then.....meh....

[Adami]

Yea maybe that's why the new album took sooooo long to stick in my head. The music (while not bad at all) is REALLY samey and Tommy was given some stale riffs to write his great vocals over.

Seriously, I have to give props to Tommy for writing as well as he did given what he was given. Can't be easy at all.

[Dark Castle]

I dig Poetry For The Poisoned quite a bit.

[Adami]

I dig Poetry For The Poisoned quite a bit.

Yea, it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Though the last suite is rather disappointing.

[Orthogonal]

This was an album I hated on first listen, but when I popped it in a 2nd time a week or so later, everything clicked. Not sure why I had such a different response, but I really like it now, including the final suite.

[Adami]

This was an album I hated on first listen, but when I popped it in a 2nd time a week or so later, everything clicked. Not sure why I had such a different response, but I really like it now, including the final suite.

Poetry or Silverthorn?

Poetrys succubus/incubus or whatever finale wasn't that bad, but it just wasn't nearly as good as Momento Mori or the Elizabeth trilogy.


And my main complaint about the last song (not the last track) on Silverthorn is that it said my blue haired girl was on it BUT I CAN'T HEAR HER DAMNIT. However the church like intro to that song is amazing.

[Orthogonal]

Sorry, was talking about Poetry.

Silverthorn the jury is still out. I've listened to it a few times, it's ok so far, but I haven't been able to say I really like it yet. It will either be a grower or fizzle soon.

[GuineaPig]

Poetry is a very good album that I don't understand the hate for.

Another thought about Silverthorn, now that I've listened to it a few more times: the drop-off in lyrics quality was not as severe as I'd feared it be.  The lyrics aren't great, as far as I can tell, but they're still a good step above your average power-metal.

[cramx3]

I haven't really read the lyrics at all but it is a concept album so I should read them to understand the story.

[MoraWintersoul]

Have some Welcome Home, peeps.

[cramx3]

Cool, thanks for that. I was searching last night to see if it got out yet.

[MoraWintersoul]

It's better than the other two bonus tracks. Grace is nice I guess, even more so by having Apollo on it, and Leaving Too Soon reminds of old Sonata Arctica inexplicably, especially Oliver's solo. But this one just feels better.

[RuRoRul]

Have some Welcome Home, peeps.

Thank you!  Was searching a lot for that a couple of weeks ago once I found out a sample I'd heard wasn't on the album.

[wasteland]

Have some Welcome Home, peeps.

This singer is Amazing. Tell me, are those kind of songs rare and in Kamelor's catalogue?