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cramx3

Yeah, I kind of lean towards what you are saying as well.  Marko wasn't an original member, only on the two albums before Tarja's removal so he might not have had strong opinions back then and if so, he probably just went with the flow being the new guy at the time.

LithoJazzoSphere

Nightwish is Tuomas' dictatorship, everyone else is just along for the ride. 

Grappler

I swear I just read something from Marko in one of the massive Blabbermouth dumps where he said that he wished they didn't fire her via a public letter. 

gazinwales

Quote from: Grappler on March 13, 2024, 06:21:45 PM
I swear I just read something from Marko in one of the massive Blabbermouth dumps where he said that he wished they didn't fire her via a public letter.

I posted the link on the previous page  :biggrin:

bosk1

Quote from: MirrorMask on March 13, 2024, 01:03:39 PMI think it's safe to say that the letter was 100% of Tuomas' idea and the others just have various degrees of agreement about the need (or not) to let Tarja go, and how to do it.
I think that's been the assumption of most people since the day it happened.

Hard to believe this is a band where I have gone from feeling like I needed to have everything they put out to just not being interested at all in what they do. 

goo-goo

Decided to listen to Floor's solo album. Not sure how the hell did I miss it originally when it was released. Some incredible performances by Floor. I keep playing on repeat Come Full Circle and Storm. Did you guys listen to it when it was released?

MirrorMask

Yep and I enjoy it for what it is!

The Calm is one of the highlights for me.

OpenYourEyes311

Quote from: bosk1 on March 14, 2024, 10:57:23 AM
I think that's been the assumption of most people since the day it happened.

Hard to believe this is a band where I have gone from feeling like I needed to have everything they put out to just not being interested at all in what they do.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I grabbed Once on a whim because I thought the cover and band looked cool. I absolutely loved it! Then I got End of an Era and while it was sad that Tarja was gone, I was still excited about this new band I had found. Then DPP came out and I was amazed once again (it's my favorite album by them.) By the time they had fired Anette a few weeks after I had seen them perform with her in 2012, I was pretty put off by the band. I followed up buying the first Floor album, but pretty much hated it on first listen and never went back. It's hardly the band I got into in 2005 anymore (no Tarja, Anette, Jukka, Marko...), and at this point I just don't care.

Grappler

I don't think I've listened to Floor's album.  I did check out the live album she put out from a solo show, and while it's nice, the Nightwish covers felt like they lacked the punch and heaviness that the band delivers.  So I haven't really had much interest in her solo material, though I think it's great that she's found a level of success on her own as well. 

jingle.boy

Quote from: bosk1 on March 14, 2024, 10:57:23 AM
I think that's been the assumption of most people since the day it happened.

Hard to believe this is a band where I have gone from feeling like I needed to have everything they put out to just not being interested at all in what they do.

Ditto.  I sampled Human|Nature (took me about 20 seconds to remember the name of the album) once, and never went back to it.

Quote from: MirrorMask on March 26, 2024, 09:59:29 AM
Yep and I enjoy it for what it is!

Ditto again.
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Adami

I recently revisited Human II nature (minus the instrumental at the end).

It's odd. I actually enjoyed every song as it played. Shortly after I had little memory of most of them and little desire to go back to it.
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cramx3

Quote from: Adami on March 27, 2024, 10:20:40 AM
I recently revisited Human II nature (minus the instrumental at the end).

It's odd. I actually enjoyed every song as it played. Shortly after I had little memory of most of them and little desire to go back to it.

I really liked it on release, and still do like basically every track on it (minus the instrumental disc), but I almost never listen to the album.

bosk1

Quote from: OpenYourEyes311 on March 26, 2024, 10:06:11 AMI'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I grabbed Once on a whim because I thought the cover and band looked cool. I absolutely loved it! Then I got End of an Era and while it was sad that Tarja was gone, I was still excited about this new band I had found. Then DPP came out and I was amazed once again (it's my favorite album by them.) By the time they had fired Anette a few weeks after I had seen them perform with her in 2012, I was pretty put off by the band. I followed up buying the first Floor album, but pretty much hated it on first listen and never went back. It's hardly the band I got into in 2005 anymore (no Tarja, Anette, Jukka, Marko...), and at this point I just don't care.

I had a somewhat similar journey with them, but different in some respects.  Mine went like this:
-I discovered the band during the Once era.  Saw some live footage online that blew me away, including two performances of Phantom of the Opera (one from the just-released End of an Era and pro-shot footage from their Lowlands concert).  I picked up Century Child, Once, and End of an Era, and was blown away.  They really appealed to my interests sonically, and I was generally excited about the band.  I went back and picked up most of the back catalog and liked a good portion of it.
-I followed the band during the hunt for new singer and lead-up to DPP.  There were things that bothered me about the album, but I still considered it an overall success.  The lyrics on some songs, mainly the ones about Tarja, were REALLY offputting.  But that aside, I think it was largely a good album.  Anette wasn't the best on it, but I was willing to look past that, especially since the album was largely written before she was hired, so it was not written with her strengths and weaknesses in mind. 
-Contrast that last sentence with Imaginaerum, which was written with her in the band.  And it proved out what I had thought on the previous album: if Tuomas was able to write with a specific singer in mind, the results could be stellar.  IMO, this album was.
-When she was dismissed and Floor brought in, I recognized it as an obvious upgrade, and the live show proved that out, especially the Wacken DVD.
-...but unfortunately, they follows that up with a truly awful album in EFMB.  Honestly, if the lyrical content had been different, it wouldn't be half bad.  But the lyrics are just too stupid to get past, and are really offputting.  A concept album that is an anthem to Darwin and Dawkins is only going to get a laugh, and eyeroll, and a "no thank you" from me no matter how good the music, and the music just didn't go anywhere compelling for me on most songs.
-Human | Nature was better.  There are a couple of songs on there that I really like, actually.  But I'm so annoyed by both the lyrical content at time and how pretentious Tuomas can be, combined with the outside stuff surrounding the band, and the changes in personnel, that it's just a really big distraction that's hard for me to overcome.  There are so many other bands out there where that isn't an issue for me that I can't be bothered to devote time to a band that does have those distractions.

The Curious Orange

It's odd, but I think EFMB is one of the best albums I've ever heard. Both DPP and Imaginaerum are fantastic albums, but EFMB just takes what the band were doing to another level. It's stunning. My one complaint about it is that it doesn't show off what Floor can truly do. She's obviously one of those singers who needs to live with the songs for a while, because on the live versions she nails it. I love the notion of a concept album based on evolution - It's one of the most important and beautiful discoveries in history, and it's still so widely misunderstood and denied.

Human:Nature was a huge disappointment. But I guess that's the great thing about music, we all like something different.

MirrorMask

It's the other way around for me. I like EFMB, even though I never return to it, but I looove Human Nature, I found it fantastic.

Looking forward to Floor's third album with the band, so far IMO the band post-Tarja followed the same pattern:

- First album as a way to thread waters, safe, with the occasional great song there
- Second album more relaxed, wild and daring

Annette never made a third album (and while I worship at the altar of Floor, Imaginarium remains my favorite NW album), now let's see what this next album will be!

cramx3

Quote from: The Curious Orange on March 28, 2024, 03:53:32 AM
It's odd, but I think EFMB is one of the best albums I've ever heard.

Nothing odd about that, it's their best album for me. I agree with you that it's not pushing Floor, but it's a great album otherwise and probably somewhere in my top 10 all time albums. 

jingle.boy

Quote from: cramx3 on March 28, 2024, 07:35:41 AM
Quote from: The Curious Orange on March 28, 2024, 03:53:32 AM
It's odd, but I think EFMB is one of the best albums I've ever heard.
Nothing odd about that, it's their best album for me. I agree with you that it's not pushing Floor, but it's a great album otherwise and probably somewhere in my top 10 all time albums.

I enjoy it quite a bit, but Top 10 of all time is pretty bold.
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cramx3

Bolder than #1?  :lol I mean, to each their own.  I rank Nightwish as my 3rd favorite band so to think my favorite album from one of my favorite bands to be in my top 10 isn't that bold to me. 

jingle.boy

Quote from: cramx3 on March 28, 2024, 08:57:21 AM
Bolder than #1?  :lol I mean, to each their own.  I rank Nightwish as my 3rd favorite band so to think my favorite album from one of my favorite bands to be in my top 10 isn't that bold to me.

Fair... not bold for you, but as a general statement, it's pretty bold.
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glassprisoner

I remember my first floogasm. Ghost Love Story, of course. Goodness, that last note.....

Grappler

Quote from: glassprisoner on March 31, 2024, 07:46:08 AM
I remember my first floogasm. Ghost Love Story, of course. Goodness, that last note.....

Of course, I'd watched the videos online, but seeing her sing Ghost Love Score in person was really amazing.  I love her little fist-pump motion after she hits that note during the concert I saw in 2015 - she transitions much more smoothly (without a breath) than she did in the Wacken video that everyone 'gasms over.  She didn't hold the note as long without the extra breath, but it sounded perfect.

https://youtu.be/XZnHz_cIIOM?si=iC0t2p_5l-YNV0O7&t=538

cramx3

Floor struggled just a tiny bit the first time I saw her sing the end of GLS, but she like almost like shook it out of her and hit the note, it was quite incredible to see and hear.   

gazinwales

Anette is back with a killer song from her forthcoming new album 'Rapture'
https://youtu.be/aSovET3oWfg?si=y4zd77CptSrrlXKU

soupytwist

Quote from: gazinwales on April 17, 2024, 03:21:57 AM
Anette is back with a killer song from her forthcoming new album 'Rapture'
https://youtu.be/aSovET3oWfg?si=y4zd77CptSrrlXKU

Wish she'd do another Dark Element album, Jani Liimatainen is such a great songwriter.

cramx3

Quote from: soupytwist on April 17, 2024, 05:55:56 AM
Wish she'd do another Dark Element album, Jani Liimatainen is such a great songwriter.

Yeah, me too, but didn't like Jani go dark and no one has talked to him for some time now? I think another Dark Element album isn't happening anytime soon if ever.

gazinwales

Ah people actually replying to one of my post's, thank you  :biggrin:
Yes Jari is still MIA, I just hope he is okay and dealing with his demons.
I believe that his intention was to do a new Cain's Offering album before his disappeared.

MoraWintersoul

Jani is not MIA, he just moved to Brazil without really talking to anyone: https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerMetal/comments/1blu486/first_public_appearance_of_jani_liimatainen_in/?sort=new

Anette liked that instagram post, so I guess she's glad he's okay after all. That new Cain's Offering album he was talking about probably turned into his solo album that came out in 2022, so that's out of the way now. The new TDE was slated for 2023, we'll see if they had a contract for that with Frontiers or if it's just delayed into infinity with no consequences.

MirrorMask

#3947
https://www.nightwish.com/news/nightwish-announces-new-album-yesterwynde

Yesterwynde is a fantastical voyage through time, memory, and the better angels of human nature. Three years in the making, we're thrilled beyond words to share our tenth album with the world on September 20th!

Single 'Perfume Of The Timeless' will mark the beginning of this new era and will be released on May 21st. Pre-Save the single now: https://nightwish.bfan.link/perfumeofthetimeless.fpo


1. Yesterwynde
2. An Ocean Of Strange Islands
3. The Antikythera Mechanism
4. The Day Of...
5. Perfume Of The Timeless
6. Sway
7. The Children Of 'Ata
8. Something Whispered Follow Me
9. Spider Silk
10. Hiraeth
11. The Weave
12. Lanternlight


(I took the liberty of researching the most specific titles and adding the Wikipedia links. Not so sure that Spider Silk is meant literally however)

fadetoblackdude7

Love the album cover! DT should hire whoever does their artwork.

goo-goo

Quote from: MirrorMask on April 30, 2024, 02:08:29 AM
https://www.nightwish.com/news/nightwish-announces-new-album-yesterwynde

Yesterwynde is a fantastical voyage through time, memory, and the better angels of human nature. Three years in the making, we're thrilled beyond words to share our tenth album with the world on September 20th!

Single 'Perfume Of The Timeless' will mark the beginning of this new era and will be released on May 21st. Pre-Save the single now: https://nightwish.bfan.link/perfumeofthetimeless.fpo


1. Yesterwynde
2. An Ocean Of Strange Islands
3. The Antikythera Mechanism
4. The Day Of...
5. Perfume Of The Timeless
6. Sway
7. The Children Of 'Ata
8. Something Whispered Follow Me
9. Spider Silk
10. Hiraeth
11. The Weave
12. Lanternlight


(I took the liberty of researching the most specific titles and adding the Wikipedia links. Not so sure that Spider Silk is meant literally however)


Weird that they are releasing this until September when there is not going to be a tour of any kind.

cramx3

Quote from: goo-goo on April 30, 2024, 07:24:14 AM
Weird that they are releasing this until September when there is not going to be a tour of any kind.

I dont understand the reasoning for this as well, but I'm guessing since they mention 3 years working on it, that they had the album musically ready and figured get it out of their system now before the hiatus where it may be lost.  Just my guesss.

Obviously it means nothing, but the titles and art make me hopeful for a strong album.

MirrorMask

I think what goo-goo meant is that since the album is gonna come and it's gonna be the only thing we'll get for 2-3 years, since that they won't tour, why wait so many months to release it? just do it already if there's no need to sync up with a tour anyway.

But I guess the promotion cycle still has to happen, I guess they want this to sell and to be properly acknowledged as well.

cramx3

Quote from: MirrorMask on April 30, 2024, 08:12:55 AM
I think what goo-goo meant is that since the album is gonna come and it's gonna be the only thing we'll get for 2-3 years, since that they won't tour, why wait so many months to release it? just do it already if there's no need to sync up with a tour anyway.

But I guess the promotion cycle still has to happen, I guess they want this to sell and to be properly acknowledged as well.

Ah, if that was what he meant, then yeah, it's due to the promotion cycle.  Avenged Sevenfold learned the hard way that releasing an album without promotion leads to no sales.  Also, on a side note, I'm totally cool with the release date, right before my birthday

goo-goo

I understand the promotion cycle. They need to maximize sales and clicks and merch sales. But almost 4 months seems a bit extreme for an album that will not be promoted via touring.  Not saying that they should release next week but maybe late May-June? That would be two months of promotion instead of four. Anyways, just an observation.

cramx3

Quote from: goo-goo on April 30, 2024, 08:48:32 AM
I understand the promotion cycle. They need to maximize sales and clicks and merch sales. But almost 4 months seems a bit extreme for an album that will not be promoted via touring.  Not saying that they should release next week but maybe late May-June? That would be two months of promotion instead of four. Anyways, just an observation.

I did think it was a bit odd to announce it all today but the single is still 3 weeks away.  Maybe there's still work being done on it or maybe there's production delays and they won't have physicals ready until then.