Tracklisting just leaked - the epic is titled "The Count Of Ohio"

-Marc.

I think it will be what they have always done - some long songs, some medium songs, some single-length songs. With MP, I am sure there will be a few nuggets in there, as he did (artwork, lyrics, etc.), and they will celebrate the new album and the band's 40th.

I am sure his past role writing some lyrics, helping arrange tunes, etc., will be in effect - probably just like they were prior to his departure. Dream Theater is Dream Theater. They sort of have a recipe at this stage. Nothing said so far by any of the members of the band have led me to believe it'll be any different.

Quote from: geeeemo on August 29, 2024, 09:42:28 AMI feel like we are getting close to getting info about the album. They put out the vinyl box set yesterday, and JP came out the same day promoting another bourbon testing for just a couple of weeks from now. He must have some time freed up. I think this could be the beginnings of the promo cycle. Of course, I don't know anything, or anyone, so it could just be my wishful and too much thinking. ..And then of course we heard from Bosk 

Actually, with all this other stuff happening, I feel quite the opposite about how soon we'll be getting info. The release of this and two subsequent box sets of the albums on vinyl is definitely capitalizing on the upcoming tour (or vice versa). That said, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't have at least a first single to include in the setlist right from the get-go, similar to the warmup tours they've done in the past, but then again, this whole thing is not the norm so anything's possible. In any case, I can't imagine they'll release more than two tracks at most before the release of the album if the album only has 6 or 7 tracks, which their posts seem to hint at, and that will depend on when they are going to release the album.
 
 

Quote from: Samsara on August 29, 2024, 02:48:09 PMI am sure his past role writing some lyrics, helping arrange tunes, etc., will be in effect - probably just like they were prior to his departure. Dream Theater is Dream Theater. They sort of have a recipe at this stage. Nothing said so far by any of the members of the band have led me to believe it'll be any different.

I agree with what you're saying except for the part about writing lyrics. While it's possible that he might feel motivated to write something again, MP seems to be quite happy leaving the lyric writing to everyone else. IIRC, since he left DT, he's only written lyrics to one TWD song and that's it, and those lyrics were basically a thank you to his wife for supporting him through thick and thin after the split and everything else that followed.

Quote from: Setlist Scotty on August 29, 2024, 10:04:29 PMIIRC, since he left DT, he's only written lyrics to one TWD song and that's it, and those lyrics were basically a thank you to his wife for supporting him through thick and thin after the split and everything else that followed.

He also co-wrote lyrics for two songs on the first SoA album.

Quote from: Samsara on August 29, 2024, 02:48:09 PMI think it will be what they have always done - some long songs, some medium songs, some single-length songs.

Blimey! Just how many songs do you think are on this album?

Quote from: bosk1 on August 29, 2024, 11:35:56 AMWhat I can tell you all is that Dream Theater will release information

Actually?!

Quote from: bosk1 on August 29, 2024, 01:07:50 PMI can confirm that Dream Theater have been recording an album

No way!

Quote from: bosk1 on August 29, 2024, 11:35:56 AMWhat I can tell you all is that Dream Theater will release information

I don't know about you guys but this reads that Metropolis Pt. 4 is confirmed...

Quote from: ReaperKK on August 30, 2024, 05:52:23 AMI don't know about you guys but this reads that Metropolis Pt. 4 is confirmed...

I am still waiting on the song, Retaking the Test That Had Stumped Us All.

The Analysis That Bamboozled The Lot
About To Sideswipe
Buenas Noches Smooch

Battle in the interior of my skull

Quote from: Setlist Scotty on August 29, 2024, 10:04:29 PMIn any case, I can't imagine they'll release more than two tracks at most before the release of the album if the album only has 6 or 7 tracks, which their posts seem to hint at, and that will depend on when they are going to release the album.

This possibility about the album only having 6 or 7 songs on it got me thinking - does that tend to point towards it *not* being a concept album? SFAM had 12 tracks, Astonishing has 34, Six Degrees has 8, Mindcrime has 15, Seventh Son has 8, and The Wall has 26. Not a ton of data points, and perhaps there are some concept albums out there with less than 8, but in my mind it might be tricky to "tell a story" with 6 or 7 tracks... so if the song count that's been hinted at is accurate, put me down in the "no concept" camp.

Quote from: Ayeegit on August 30, 2024, 07:45:58 AMThis possibility about the album only having 6 or 7 songs on it got me thinking - does that tend to point towards it *not* being a concept album? SFAM had 12 tracks, Astonishing has 34, Six Degrees has 8, Mindcrime has 15, Seventh Son has 8, and The Wall has 26. Not a ton of data points, and perhaps there are some concept albums out there with less than 8, but in my mind it might be tricky to "tell a story" with 6 or 7 tracks... so if the song count that's been hinted at is accurate, put me down in the "no concept" camp.

I don't think one has anything to do with the other.

Quote from: bosk1 on August 29, 2024, 11:35:56 AMWhat I can tell you all is that Dream Theater will release information

How very lawyerly of you! 

Quote from: Jamesman42 on August 29, 2024, 01:28:12 PMyeah i heard mike pootnoy is rizzin it up with beardtruucii

Quote from: MoraWintersoul on August 29, 2024, 01:32:38 PMi don't know, big L letting go of Gyatt Mangini like that....... so much aura lost, he was always mewing and mogging everyone with his superior vibes

Are any of these things actual words?? 

Quote from: pg1067 on August 30, 2024, 08:48:54 AMAre any of these things actual words?? 

Depends on the age of the person you ask. Then again, as Thor Odinson once said - "All words are made up."

-Marc.

Quote from: The Letter M on August 30, 2024, 09:18:06 AMThen again, as Thor Odinson once said - "All words are made up."

True.

Quote from: Ayeegit on August 30, 2024, 07:45:58 AMThis possibility about the album only having 6 or 7 songs on it got me thinking - does that tend to point towards it *not* being a concept album? SFAM had 12 tracks, Astonishing has 34, Six Degrees has 8, Mindcrime has 15, Seventh Son has 8, and The Wall has 26. Not a ton of data points, and perhaps there are some concept albums out there with less than 8, but in my mind it might be tricky to "tell a story" with 6 or 7 tracks... so if the song count that's been hinted at is accurate, put me down in the "no concept" camp.

Tales From Topographic Oceans:  4
Thick As A Brick: 2

There are others...

Quote from: Stadler on August 30, 2024, 10:58:13 AMTales From Topographic Oceans:  4
Thick As A Brick: 2

There are others...

Sola Scriptura: 4

Even if a concept album with less than 5 songs didn't exist, DT are still capable of creating the first.

Well, The Whirlwind was one song and it turned out to be a concept album.

  

Quote from: Ayeegit on August 30, 2024, 07:45:58 AMThis possibility about the album only having 6 or 7 songs on it got me thinking - does that tend to point towards it *not* being a concept album? SFAM had 12 tracks, Astonishing has 34, Six Degrees has 8, Mindcrime has 15, Seventh Son has 8, and The Wall has 26. Not a ton of data points, and perhaps there are some concept albums out there with less than 8, but in my mind it might be tricky to "tell a story" with 6 or 7 tracks... so if the song count that's been hinted at is accurate, put me down in the "no concept" camp.

Concept album doesn't necessarily mean telling a story.  Tales from Topographic Oceans didn't tell a story, and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son was, at best, a very loose concept.

Also, there's a difference between songs and tracks.  Disc 2 of SDOIT was (supposedly) a single song split into 8 tracks, and Fates Warning's A Pleasant Shade of Gray was a single song split into 12 tracks.

Quote from: Mladen on August 30, 2024, 12:26:18 PMWell, The Whirlwind was one song and it turned out to be a concept album.

Would it be possible for a single-song album NOT to be a concept album?

Quote from: pg1067 on August 30, 2024, 12:47:19 PMWould it be possible for a single-song album NOT to be a concept album?

If it was a single instrumental track that didn't have any explicit explanation about it's influences so as to indicate any sort of "concept" about its composition.

-Marc.

Quote from: illusionist on August 27, 2024, 02:07:43 PMhttps://blabbermouth.net/news/jordan-rudess-says-everybody-will-love-new-dream-theater-album-i-can-pretty-much-guarantee-it

Is Tubular Bells a concept album?

Quote from: Stadler on August 30, 2024, 01:51:46 PMIs Tubular Bells a concept album?

Given it doesn't have any words, I would assume not

I don't think I'd personally say that lyrics or words are necessary for a concept album. If there are themes throughout an instrumental album that link the tracks together, or if there is some sort of consistent framing device or point throughout the album--or, in other words, a concept--I'd say you could still make a concept album instrumental.

I think the band will release an album of total silence, and the fans will have to "imagine" the music themselves based off the tracklist. Always thinking progressively, those DT boys.

Quote from: Zydar on August 31, 2024, 03:03:21 AMI think the band will release an album of total silence, and the fans will have to "imagine" the music themselves based off the tracklist. Always thinking progressively, those DT boys.

Oh please don't trigger the John cage debate 

Camel's The Snow Goose is an all instrumental concept album. There are classical pieces that tell a story without any words.

The Aristocrats just released an instrumental concept album too.

Quote from: gzarruk on August 31, 2024, 08:51:42 AMThe Aristocrats just released an instrumental concept album too.

The one called "Duck"? Very interested if so.

Quote from: Ayeegit on August 30, 2024, 07:45:58 AMThis possibility about the album only having 6 or 7 songs on it got me thinking - does that tend to point towards it *not* being a concept album? SFAM had 12 tracks, Astonishing has 34, Six Degrees has 8, Mindcrime has 15, Seventh Son has 8, and The Wall has 26. Not a ton of data points, and perhaps there are some concept albums out there with less than 8, but in my mind it might be tricky to "tell a story" with 6 or 7 tracks... so if the song count that's been hinted at is accurate, put me down in the "no concept" camp.

Still Life from Opeth only has 7 songs

Quote from: Jamesman42 on August 31, 2024, 10:27:50 AMThe one called "Duck"? Very interested if so.

That's the one! There's no real way to follow the "concept" anyway, but the music is great.

Quote from: gzarruk on August 31, 2024, 12:51:33 PMThat's the one! There's no real way to follow the "concept" anyway, but the music is great.

Just have to wing it, I guess.

Quote from: TAC on August 31, 2024, 01:00:49 PMJust have to wing it, I guess.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!