DREAM THEATER - Europe leg of the 40th Anniversary Tour 2024-2025

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MirrorMask

Quote from: gborland on October 02, 2024, 02:09:59 PMMP is smart enough to realise that most fans don't want the 12SS in all its tedious repetitiveness to take up half of an entire show.

The other day on FB wrote that he knows that his WHAAA-HAAAAs on Octavarium in the Shmedley Wilcox annoy a lot of people, but he wanted to channel his Michael Anthony  :lol

pg1067

Quote from: DTwwbwMP on October 02, 2024, 12:33:21 PMI CAN see the entire 12SS played on the album cycle tour. Maybe THIS?

SET 1:
12SS

SET 2:
ENTIRE new album

ENCORE:
Pull Me Under

I've said this before, but we keep coming back to this, so I'll say it again.  I have ZERO interest in seeing the entire 12SS, and I know I'm not alone in thinking this.  I've seen the first three parts, which means I may as well have seen TSF.  If I ever have the misfortune of seeing Repentance, I'll be visiting the restroom.  The single worst song in the catalog.  They could do TSF just to represent the whole thing.

The only reason to play the entirety of the new album is if it's a concept album, so...maybe.

And, while I expect to see PMU in the reunion set list, playing it in the follow-up album tour would be truly awful.


Quote from: brakkum on October 02, 2024, 01:53:12 PMIf they never ended a show with Pull Me Under again I'd be so stoked

Yup.


Quote from: TAC on October 02, 2024, 02:08:28 PMBut haven't people been blubbering over MP returning? Nothing seems too MP focused for some of the people I've seen posting.

There is absolutely a segment of the fan base who would completely smile over an entirely MP-focused set.  A good chunk of these folks are on Reddit.
Feelin' kinda spooky.

macneil

I'm excited with MP coming back and all and I expect a couple classic Portnoy drum parts like 6:00 or Finally Free etc but a proper anniversary show should be a balanced setlist celebrating the band's entire history in all its incarnations, IMO.

The 12SS in full would be way too MP-centric and one of the only ways I would actually be a bit disappointed (other than completely ignoring the Mangini-era).

By all means do a special one-off 12SS show later on if that's what they want to do though.

Adami

Remember when MP used to do a drum solo in was it Ytse Jam?

That's what they should do. Start with Ytse Jam (or whatever song it was), then a 2.5 hour drum solo in the middle, then finish the song. End of concert.
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Laughingplace56

I can see TSF having as much a shot at being on the set as TGP. It wouldn't be surprising if MP wanted the chance to play the finale of the 12SS with DT, and if they don't end up playing the whole suite one day, at least TSF is presumably less daunting for the band to play versus TGP.

Playing into MP's comments about playing the "most liked" songs in their discography, I put together a set mostly consisting of songs that seem to be fan favorites (and songs I think they may play)

Pull Me Under (almost no way they don't play this, right?)
Afterlife
6:00
Peruvian Skies
Barstool Warrior
Panic Attack
As I Am
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All (if they don't do TGP, they've seemed hesitant to go to disc 1 of SDoIT. As much as I want literally any of the disc 1 songs, I kinda expect them to go with part of the SDoIT song instead. Maybe it'll be different with MP back?)
Breaking All Illusions


Metropolis Pt. 1
Overture 1928
Strange Deja Vu
Forsaken
The Mirror
The Enemy Inside
The Alien
The Shattered Fortress

Octavarium or A Change of Seasons


TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Zydar on November 09, 2024, 08:20:58 AMTAC are all puns blazing today.

Laughingplace56

Quote from: TAC on October 02, 2024, 05:40:14 PMZero chance of getting 5 Mangini songs. Zero.

I put 4 in that set, which I think is fair for an 18 song set. If they go for longer/less songs, then I agree. But I hope they don't go the route of playing only 1-2 Mangini songs a tour moving forward.

TAC

Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Zydar on November 09, 2024, 08:20:58 AMTAC are all puns blazing today.

macneil

Quote from: Laughingplace56 on October 02, 2024, 05:37:05 PMI can see TSF having as much a shot at being on the set as TGP. It wouldn't be surprising if MP wanted the chance to play the finale of the 12SS with DT, and if they don't end up playing the whole suite one day, at least TSF is presumably less daunting for the band to play versus TGP.

Playing into MP's comments about playing the "most liked" songs in their discography, I put together a set mostly consisting of songs that seem to be fan favorites (and songs I think they may play)

Pull Me Under (almost no way they don't play this, right?)
...

Ever since the anouncememt of the tour I've had it in my head they're opening with TGP. But you know, you might be on to something that they take the opportunity to play TSF with MP for the first time instead, to represent the 12SS. I would be okay with that.

And yeah I would be shocked if they didn't play Pull Me Under. It's a boring pick because it's just obligatory at this point  :lol Same with Metropolis Pt 1 and Spirit Carries On, I think.

Laughingplace56

Quote from: macneil on October 02, 2024, 07:56:34 PMEver since the anouncememt of the tour I've had it in my head they're opening with TGP. But you know, you might be on to something that they take the opportunity to play TSF with MP for the first time instead, to represent the 12SS. I would be okay with that.

And yeah I would be shocked if they didn't play Pull Me Under. It's a boring pick because it's just obligatory at this point  :lol Same with Metropolis Pt 1 and Spirit Carries On, I think.

Your first comment is exactly how I've felt. But for 10 years now, I've felt like every tour was "finally the right time" for them to play TGP, and since it keeps not happening I'm becoming less optimistic about it :laugh:

I agree with Metropolis and Spirit. I didn't include Spirit in my set because I REALLY don't need to see that song again, but that feels inevitable as well  :tdwn

RaiseTheKnife

Those interested and with the means ($$), I noticed that VIP upgrades for U.S. shows are now available for purchase on the DT website via SoundRink.  Not sure if this has been officially announced or advertised, but the upgrades are live now.

Sorry Highland Park, CA no VIP listed for that show yet.

CraftyCaleb2483

Quote from: DTwwbwMP on October 02, 2024, 12:33:21 PMI CAN see the entire 12SS played on the album cycle tour. Maybe THIS?

SET 1:
12SS

SET 2:
ENTIRE new album

ENCORE:
Pull Me Under
Na, no way would I ever go to see that
Quote from: twosuitsluke on October 14, 2024, 02:27:06 PMCaleb also has way better taste
Quote from: Puppies_On_Acid on November 24, 2024, 11:43:49 AM
Quote from: CraftyCaleb2483 on November 24, 2024, 11:04:36 AM??: King Crimson – 21st Century Schizoid Man
Betting on: Vocals too harsh, too heavy, not proggy enough

Mladen

Mike is on record saying that, prior to leaving the band in 2010, he considered the next DT album being a concept one, so that they could perform the entire twelve steps suite as the second set of an evening with tour. It never came to be, however, and I'm having a hard time buying Mike is still holding onto an idea he briefly considered fifteen years ago.

My guess is that the ship has sailed when it comes to the suite being performed in its entirety. Mike already closed that chapter with the Haken guys.

MirrorMask

If they start with Metropolis, which is a choice as predictable as sure to send chills and excitement down everyone's spine, they could use the interlude before the "Before the leaves are fallen..." final part to welcome back Mike in front of everyone. I can totally see James speaking about Mike returning and to get a rousing applause and roar from the crowd as they're fiddling away on the uplifting chords of that part of Metropolis.

Also, Mike has a mic (Mikey Mic?), and I think it's a certainty he will speak sooner or later. I think that if they play a song from the debut to honor Charlie, he's gonna be the one to actually present it, not James who after all wasn't in the band at that time. Also - it would be nice if at some point Mike would ask for the crowd for an applause for Mangini, they've already handled the transition most gracefully and with courtesy, but a shoutout for the man who was there for 13 years in front of the crowd would be lovely.

ReaperKK

Quote from: DTA on October 02, 2024, 07:04:57 AMI do believe Portnoy would want to do the 12SS live with the actual band at some point (though not likely on this current reunion tour), so I'm guessing The Glass Prison will not be included solely for the reason that he knows it will be played eventually and wouldn't want to repeat it.

I think if they do the 12SS they should do it sooner rather than later, it's a group of incredibly challenging songs to play that will only get more difficult with age.

CraftyCaleb2483

Yeah, do the guys still have the skill to play Repentance? :P
Quote from: twosuitsluke on October 14, 2024, 02:27:06 PMCaleb also has way better taste
Quote from: Puppies_On_Acid on November 24, 2024, 11:43:49 AM
Quote from: CraftyCaleb2483 on November 24, 2024, 11:04:36 AM??: King Crimson – 21st Century Schizoid Man
Betting on: Vocals too harsh, too heavy, not proggy enough

hefdaddy42

Quote from: CraftyCaleb2483 on October 03, 2024, 07:13:44 AMYeah, do the guys still have the skill to play Repentance? :P
The better question is do they still have the skill to WRITE Repentance?
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

TAC

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2024, 08:23:09 AMThe better question is do they still have the skill to WRITE Repentance?

Haven't you heard? MP is back. The writing is going to improve sooo much. It's gonna be really awesome.
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Zydar on November 09, 2024, 08:20:58 AMTAC are all puns blazing today.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: TAC on October 03, 2024, 08:28:16 AMHaven't you heard? MP is back. The writing is going to improve sooo much. It's gonna be really awesome.
lol yeah
Quote from: BlobVanDam on December 11, 2014, 08:19:46 PMHef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

KevShmev

Quote from: TAC on October 02, 2024, 02:08:28 PMBut haven't people been blubbering over MP returning? Nothing seems too MP focused for some of the people I've seen posting.

Yep, I definitely get the sense that some want the band to revert back to what they were in the mid to late 00s, which was, more or less, the Mike Portnoy and Friends show, but I know I was not alone in being happy when it looked and felt like a real band again from an optics standpoint in the 10s, and based on Portnoy's comments since rejoining, he seems to want to fit in with what the band have been since he left rather than trying to take it over and loom over everyone again, which is a credit to him.  Plus, I have to think that Petrucci, who seems to still be the leader, is smart enough to know that dedicating an hour of a set list to a suite that revolves totally around Mike Portnoy would be a huge step backward.

MoraWintersoul

Quote from: MirrorMask on October 03, 2024, 02:17:04 AMIf they start with Metropolis, which is a choice as predictable as sure to send chills and excitement down everyone's spine, they could use the interlude before the "Before the leaves are fallen..." final part to welcome back Mike in front of everyone. I can totally see James speaking about Mike returning and to get a rousing applause and roar from the crowd as they're fiddling away on the uplifting chords of that part of Metropolis.

Also, Mike has a mic (Mikey Mic?), and I think it's a certainty he will speak sooner or later. I think that if they play a song from the debut to honor Charlie, he's gonna be the one to actually present it, not James who after all wasn't in the band at that time. Also - it would be nice if at some point Mike would ask for the crowd for an applause for Mangini, they've already handled the transition most gracefully and with courtesy, but a shoutout for the man who was there for 13 years in front of the crowd would be lovely.
These are all good ideas! I expect only the Charlie one to actually happen though ;D

DTA

Quote from: ReaperKK on October 03, 2024, 05:47:49 AMI think if they do the 12SS they should do it sooner rather than later, it's a group of incredibly challenging songs to play that will only get more difficult with age.

I think this upcoming tour will tell us the fate of the 12SS. I honestly hope I never have to hear it live as it would be a very boring 60 minutes to sit through, but if TGP does appear on this 40th tour, then there's probably a good chance it will never be played live again in any form, except for maybe a Night 2 in a city where they do the entire suite. Being how challenging they are to play, I'm guessing the Night 2 route is the way they will choose to go with it.

pg1067

Quote from: Mladen on October 03, 2024, 02:09:52 AMMike is on record saying that, prior to leaving the band in 2010, he considered the next DT album being a concept one, so that they could perform the entire twelve steps suite as the second set of an evening with tour.

The most important word in this sentence is "he."  He may have considered - even wanted - all that, but that doesn't mean the other four band members would have been on board.


Quote from: MirrorMask on October 03, 2024, 02:17:04 AMAlso - it would be nice if at some point Mike would ask for the crowd for an applause for Mangini, they've already handled the transition most gracefully and with courtesy, but a shoutout for the man who was there for 13 years in front of the crowd would be lovely.

I really hope they don't do that.  IMO, unless MM is actually in the crowd (perhaps at the Boston show), that would be sickeningly gratuitous.
Feelin' kinda spooky.

Stadler

Quote from: DTA on October 03, 2024, 09:31:06 AMI think this upcoming tour will tell us the fate of the 12SS. I honestly hope I never have to hear it live as it would be a very boring 60 minutes to sit through, but if TGP does appear on this 40th tour, then there's probably a good chance it will never be played live again in any form, except for maybe a Night 2 in a city where they do the entire suite. Being how challenging they are to play, I'm guessing the Night 2 route is the way they will choose to go with it.

Look, tastes, I know, and this isn't just for you, but as someone who has "sat through" the 60 minutes, and with musicians that I consider... not lesser, but a mere substitute for the real thing that is "Dream Theater", it was anything but boring.  There was more energy at that Shattered Fortess show than any DT show I've been at, I can tell you that (though admittedly I haven't seen the number and scope of shows like some here).   

DTA

Quote from: Stadler on October 03, 2024, 10:35:07 AMLook, tastes, I know, and this isn't just for you, but as someone who has "sat through" the 60 minutes, and with musicians that I consider... not lesser, but a mere substitute for the real thing that is "Dream Theater", it was anything but boring.  There was more energy at that Shattered Fortess show than any DT show I've been at, I can tell you that (though admittedly I haven't seen the number and scope of shows like some here).   

Aside from Repentance which I've never seen, I've seen all the 12 step songs live, and in some cases multiple times (TGP, TDS, TROAE) and they just don't do it for me and never have. They're all too long and bloated for me to enjoy for an hour when they have so many better songs.

To be fair, I've only seen them in seated venues so maybe the Shattered Fortress version elevated them a bit (I'm guessing they were standing room?). But there's probably about 100 DT songs I'd rather see than any of those.

DTwwbwMP

Quote from: DTA on October 03, 2024, 10:43:25 AMAside from Repentance which I've never seen, I've seen all the 12 step songs live, and in some cases multiple times

For ME, I couldn't care less if DT does the 12 Step Suite! I saw the Shattered Fortress show in NYC and it was SO GREAT that I doubt it could be performed any better (that show was probably THE BEST "DT" show I've seen since 2004)!

nobloodyname

Quote from: pg1067 on October 03, 2024, 10:07:44 AMI really hope they don't do that.  IMO, unless MM is actually in the crowd (perhaps at the Boston show), that would be sickeningly gratuitous.

Couldn't agree with this more. For me, it would be sickeningly cloying.

(Didn't mean to repeat the word 'sickeningly', only realised I'd use the same word as you on re-reading!)

Stadler

Quote from: DTA on October 03, 2024, 10:43:25 AMAside from Repentance which I've never seen, I've seen all the 12 step songs live, and in some cases multiple times (TGP, TDS, TROAE) and they just don't do it for me and never have. They're all too long and bloated for me to enjoy for an hour when they have so many better songs.

To be fair, I've only seen them in seated venues so maybe the Shattered Fortress version elevated them a bit (I'm guessing they were standing room?). But there's probably about 100 DT songs I'd rather see than any of those.

Yeah, Irving Plaza. That's what, 1200 people standing?

Skeever

I was at the Irving Plaza show also with a friend, and I've got to say... both of us kinda looked at each other midway through This Dying Soul and kinda said to each other "Man, I forgot how long these songs are". Loved the beginning of the show, and the end, but the 12 Step Saga all at once did feel like a little bit too much. The songs are all very long, and there's a lot of repeated themes and ideas that I just don't feel like it worked super well taking it in all at once. If there is one group of songs that DT may feel compelled that they "must play" that are a candidate for the medley treatment, I'd definitely say that's my top contender.

Interestingly (and I didn't want to make a whole topic for this), I was listening to Nick DiVirgillo's podcast, and MP was on there talking about his sobriety. The way he was talking about it was pretty odd, like almost in the past tense (i.e., statements like "I was sober for many years"). I'm certainly not suggesting that MP has fallen off the wagon, but I was wondering if maybe he's not quite abstaining completely anymore. Somewhere here (I forget who) also posted a picture of MP at a booth with a bunch of people, and it looked like everyone had beers at their plate. Again, not trying to speculate baselessly on something so personal, but I was wondering if anyone caught that convo on NDV's pod and came away thinking the same thing?


TheHoveringSojourn808

Quote from: Skeever on October 03, 2024, 05:10:59 PMI was at the Irving Plaza show also with a friend, and I've got to say... both of us kinda looked at each other midway through This Dying Soul and kinda said to each other "Man, I forgot how long these songs are". Loved the beginning of the show, and the end, but the 12 Step Saga all at once did feel like a little bit too much. The songs are all very long, and there's a lot of repeated themes and ideas that I just don't feel like it worked super well taking it in all at once. If there is one group of songs that DT may feel compelled that they "must play" that are a candidate for the medley treatment, I'd definitely say that's my top contender.

Interestingly (and I didn't want to make a whole topic for this), I was listening to Nick DiVirgillo's podcast, and MP was on there talking about his sobriety. The way he was talking about it was pretty odd, like almost in the past tense (i.e., statements like "I was sober for many years"). I'm certainly not suggesting that MP has fallen off the wagon, but I was wondering if maybe he's not quite abstaining completely anymore. Somewhere here (I forget who) also posted a picture of MP at a booth with a bunch of people, and it looked like everyone had beers at their plate. Again, not trying to speculate baselessly on something so personal, but I was wondering if anyone caught that convo on NDV's pod and came away thinking the same thing?



I saw a picture of him at a restaurant/eatery/bar with someone recently and the table had as many drinks as people. Definitely possibly he's a Mocktail Man, but who could say. Definitely something to keep in mind as we go forward
I'm never sleeping in a teepee again - Father John Misty

ReaperKK

Eh, I don't know if it's worth speculating whether MP fell off the wagon or not. Personally I think he just used the tense on the podcast and nothing more.

TheHoveringSojourn808

Quote from: ReaperKK on October 04, 2024, 05:55:02 AMEh, I don't know if it's worth speculating whether MP fell off the wagon or not. Personally I think he just used the tense on the podcast and nothing more.

Yep, until we hear or see otherwise I'm definitely in camp Still on the Wagon.

Iron "Mocktail" Mike  :metal  :metal
I'm never sleeping in a teepee again - Father John Misty

ReaperKK

Double post...

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