Official DT Top 50 Thread Mark II (bss4life15 up now - starting page 79)

[Pols Voice]

Wow, your last seven picks are also in my Top 10.

[Nekov]

Nice list Hef. Your top 10 is very very interesting. LTL for the win 

[Jirpo]

ACOS is tied with Metropolis for my favourite song ever

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W but still a great one.

[hefdaddy42]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W

You are a crazy person.

[snapple]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W but still a great one.

Your opinion is wrong.

[BlobVanDam]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W but still a great one.

Definitely agreed. The verses and chorus are by far the weakest on the album, although it does have an incredible instrumental section and outro. It's probably an 8/10 for me. Good, but overrated.

[Zydar]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W

You are a crazy person.

[wasteland]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W

You are a crazy person.

[DreamerTV]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W

You are a crazy person.

[Syzzle]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W

You are a crazy person.

[BlackInk]

[Flacracker]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W but still a great one.

Definitely agreed. The verses and chorus are by far the weakest on the album, although it does have an incredible instrumental section and outro. It's probably an 8/10 for me. Good, but overrated.

Disagreed.

Another chance to lift my life
A freedom sensation in my heart
To ride the wings of dreams into changing horizons
It brings inner peace within my mind,
As I'm lifted from where I've split my life
I hear an innocent voice
I hear kindness, beauty and truth

Is one of my favorite verses in any song.

[BlobVanDam]

LTL is overrated slightly, one of the weaker songs on I&W but still a great one.

Definitely agreed. The verses and chorus are by far the weakest on the album, although it does have an incredible instrumental section and outro. It's probably an 8/10 for me. Good, but overrated.

Disagreed.

Another chance to lift my life
A freedom sensation in my heart
To ride the wings of dreams into changing horizons
It brings inner peace within my mind,
As I'm lifted from where I've split my life
I hear an innocent voice
I hear kindness, beauty and truth

Is one of my favorite verses in any song.

That is a great verse, but the earlier verses up until the first chorus feel like they don't have as much care taken to fit the lyrics to music, and it doesn't flow nicely to me. And it has a weak chorus. But the verse you mentioned is definitely a great one melodically.

[hefdaddy42]

Since the discussion has already started

1. Learning to Live

DT's best marriage of unbelievable music and fantastic lyrics.  This song has no weaknesses.  It is, IMHO, their very best.

[theseoafs]

In what universe does LTL have anything but a majestic, soaring chorus?

[BlobVanDam]

LTL is a good example of carelessness of putting lyrics first, and melody/phrasing second. It's nowhere near WDADU levels, but many of the vocal lines just don't have good melodies. If you took away the lyrics and just had notes, it just doesn't work well, and feels like random shifts up/down the scale. This includes the chorus.
Once it gets past the early verses and choruses though, the song is amazing (such as the "another chance to lift....." verse, which is awesome). The instrumental section is as good as anything else on IaW (although not my personal favourite), and the outro is cool. I still find the song quite overrated for what it is though, considering that most of the album is much stronger. But that's not a huge criticism considering most songs on IaW are at least a 9/10 (imo).

[Mladen]

Those are incredible choices, hef. 

Who's next? 

[BlackInk]

A worthy song of the top spot, not what I would put there but still worthy.

[hefdaddy42]

The melodies are fantastic in LTL, Blob.  I think your metal proclivities are showing.  This is clearly a song with both feet planted firmly in the progressive rock camp, and from that perspective, the melodies are amazing.

wasteland, you're up.

[BlobVanDam]

The melodies are fantastic in LTL, Blob.  I think your metal proclivities are showing.  This is clearly a song with both feet planted firmly in the progressive rock camp, and from that perspective, the melodies are amazing.

I don't listen to much metal. And not that that matters anyway, as that's not even an argument.

I agree that a lot of the melodies in LTL are amazing, especially the verse I mentioned, which I had stuck in my head for an hour after posting that. And the instrumental section and most of the second half of the song is amazing. But I think the early verses and choruses really let down the song where it really needs to establish itself. The first part of the song is the weakest, and really stops me getting into the song. And I think the rest of the album is much stronger melodically.
I think this song suffers for the way the lyrics fit with the music. Maybe that's to do with the way JM writes his more poetic freeform lyrics, and then they had to try and fit that to music, although his later songs don't seem to have the same issue.

I'd rather you not write off my opinion based on an incorrect assumption about my musical tastes, especially as I do put in the effort to articulate my obviously different opinion as well as I can.

[Jirpo]

I wasn't really saying much, I&W is my fave album ever so LTL is still really amazing. It's just one of the weaker songs on the album for me (if counting it together with WFS it would be second last to PMU).

[hefdaddy42]

The melodies are fantastic in LTL, Blob.  I think your metal proclivities are showing.  This is clearly a song with both feet planted firmly in the progressive rock camp, and from that perspective, the melodies are amazing.

I don't listen to much metal. And not that that matters anyway, as that's not even an argument.

I agree that a lot of the melodies in LTL are amazing, especially the verse I mentioned, which I had stuck in my head for an hour after posting that. And the instrumental section and most of the second half of the song is amazing. But I think the early verses and choruses really let down the song where it really needs to establish itself. The first part of the song is the weakest, and really stops me getting into the song. And I think the rest of the album is much stronger melodically.
I think this song suffers for the way the lyrics fit with the music. Maybe that's to do with the way JM writes his more poetic freeform lyrics, and then they had to try and fit that to music, although his later songs don't seem to have the same issue.

I'd rather you not write off my opinion based on an incorrect assumption about my musical tastes, especially as I do put in the effort to articulate my obviously different opinion as well as I can.

Well, I knew you don't come from a prog background, so I guess metal was my backup assumption.   

[BlobVanDam]

Well, I knew you don't come from a prog background, so I guess metal was my backup assumption.   

Well I guess considering DT are prog metal, it's a reasonable assumption that most people will be primarily a fan of one or the other.
Of course I do listen to some metal, so it's not entirely off base, but most of my music falls more under rock than metal.

[Nekov]

LTL is a fantastic song

[Elite]

Why did this make me laugh so loud? 

Great number one right there, no complaints from me!

[Ħ]

WASTELAND

[wasteland]

WASTELAND

Starting today, and I'm going to post the top 3 first 

[fibreoptix]

[wasteland]

I hate to build expectations and then letting them down, so, I will post my top 3 first in order to avoid something like: "Jeez, here's another one of those  ".



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Change of mind, people!

51. PROPHETS OF WAR

This song is controversial, and tend to polarize the fan base. Well, not as much as the Golden Apple bearing the name of "Scarred", but still it lacks a general consensus. As for myself, I mildly like the song, and even willingly choose to listen to it from time to time, especially when I'm driving my car and I bring SC with me. Yet, Prophets of War is nowhere near to be a favourite of mine, though I would often use it to represent its album in the ipothetic setlists I create, in order to save the maximum amount of time to other, more accomplished, albums.
That being said, it's not even a song I hate, like, let's say, Misunderstood, ITPOE2 or As I Am, and it makes a narrow miss to my top 50, being knocked off by the new batch of ADTOE songs.

In the end, Prophets of War is not a bad song, it is only that there are fifty better songs around.

[Mladen]

Obviously, a brilliant song. And it's kinda weird you're starting with top 3, I don't know if it's gonna be that exciting to follow the rest of the list. But we'll see. 

[wasteland]

Obviously, a brilliant song. And it's kinda weird you're starting with top 3, I don't know if it's gonna be that exciting to follow the rest of the list. But we'll see. 

Well, if you insist 

[BlackInk]

Prophets of War is a great song in my opinion, it is a bit different yes but I find very enjoyable to listen to.

[Mladen]

What happened? I can't believe you actually cared enough about what I said.

And yeah, Prophets of war is very underrated. 

[iamtheeviltwin]

PoW is a highly underrated song in my opinion.  Much like BMUBMD it strays far enough away from the DT reservation to be controversial , but I like it none the less.

Prophets of War was in my top 50, but I am currently revisiting my rankings list to take into account ADTOE and some of the DT "b-sides" that I have come into possession of.  I imagine it will still sneak in there, but it might be bounced out by the newer material since ADTOE has remained a strong album for me.

[Ħ]

a song I hate, like, let's say, Misunderstood, ITPOE2 or As I Am

WAT