Dream Theater Detail 7LP Vinyl Box Set DREAM THEATER VOL. 1

[MoraWintersoul]

I own all four of these - got those Music on Vinyl ones for normal prices in local Norwegian stores between 2017 and 2021-ish - so pass. I do like that box though. Next edition of this I'm probably getting because I haven't seen SDOIT in a store in a while and I shamefully didn't buy it because the price was a bit whack every time.

The DT vinyl section has been absolutely flooded with LNF releases, in fact, I think that's what got them their own labelled section a bit back, before they were just under "D" everywhere I went. They really flooded the market with those and if I'm not buying them, I don't really know who is I get vinyl to show off and play my favorite albums in a nice format, not so much to support the band or collect everything related to them.

[hefdaddy42]

This seems like a neat thing to have, but I would almost never listen to it, so I would be owning just to own it.

I already have enough "stuff" like that, so this will not be a purchase from me.  But if someone wants to get it for me for my birthday (September 9th BTW), then I would gladly accept it.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

The more stuff I accumulate as I get older (and fatter) the more I prefer experiences over things. I'll save my money on this one and put it towards a better seat when the time comes.

[Max Kuehnau]

double post, sorry

[Max Kuehnau]

When Dream & Day Unite (Taylor's Version)

now the question would be: would she be the one to be tattooed in her sleep or would she tattoo a man in his sleep? 

[nobloodyname]

This release is a big skip for me. I already own the albums on vinyl and there's no value add to make up for that. It's also unlikely to appreciate in value. As with cuckster, all I'd be doing is buying it to pop on a shelf. And since I'm now in my early 50s, no value add means 1) I'm adding to the considerable problem I've already created for someone else to deal with when I die, and 2) putting money on the shelf that'd be better spent either investing or getting active enjoyment from.

Your mileage may vary and you may feel less nihilistic than me

Edit: shocking English language butchery.

[CraftyCaleb2483]

now the question would be: would she be the one to be tattooed in her sleep or would she tattoo a man in his sleep? 

[ytserush]

I'm surprised at the negative comments. I would've thought the DT fandom are some of the worst hoarders of ancient LP's and stuff.

Well, nothing about this is ancient for starters.

[ytserush]

Kind of off topic but what would Dream Theater reasonably get if they sold the rights to their catalog and would something like this ever happen?

[Schurftkut]

hah, no

[Stadler]

Kind of off topic but what would Dream Theater reasonably get if they sold the rights to their catalog and would something like this ever happen?

I can't speak to what they'd "reasonably get", but certainly they COULD do it if an offer ever came up. I'm not an expert here, but I tend to think that the catalogues that have broad application - commercials, jingle music, soundtracks, etc. - are the ones that garner the best return. I love this band, I love the music and the musicians that make it, but I think we have to be honest.  "Never say never", but I can't imagine Marvel, for example, is beating down Dream Theater's door for the use of their music. 

[HOF]

Yeah, I don't know that there is much value in the DT catalog other than selling the back catalog back to the core audience. There may be some areas where you could make some licensing money (video games, maybe a certain type of movie, sports networks, that sort of thing perhaps). But I don't know that the value there would be massive to a prospective buyer. Maybe DT has a late career hit or something though which makes the back catalog suddenly more marketable.

[pg1067]

Kind of off topic but what would Dream Theater reasonably get if they sold the rights to their catalog and would something like this ever happen?

Selling their "catalog" means selling the musical composition copyrights (it's also commonly referred to as the sale of publishing rights).  The owner of a musical composition copyright earns money in the following circumstances:

1. When someone sells a "phonorecord" (i.e., any recording in any sort of media) containing the musical composition.

2. When someone (legally) makes a cover version or other derivative work (I say "legally" to exclude covers that are posted on YouTube and other similar things).

3. When the song is (legally) performed publicly - either live or on radio or via music video (including at sporting events or, hypothetically, in TV or radio commercials).

4. When someone streams a song legally.

90+% of DT's songs don't generate any revenue except for the fractional revenue associated with album sales.  Even a song like PMU doesn't generate a ton of revenue, so the sale of the band's publishing rights likely would generate relatively little money.  Given what I know about some other deals, I'd be shocked if the number were higher than $250k.

[HOF]

Do the Spurs still play Metropolis pt. 1 during their team intro?

Yeah, I think it would be a small deal and not worth it to the band to sell.

[Skeever]

Did they do anything special with the mastering or anything like that? Those are the details I care way more about.

[ytserush]

I can't speak to what they'd "reasonably get", but certainly they COULD do it if an offer ever came up. I'm not an expert here, but I tend to think that the catalogues that have broad application - commercials, jingle music, soundtracks, etc. - are the ones that garner the best return. I love this band, I love the music and the musicians that make it, but I think we have to be honest.  "Never say never", but I can't imagine Marvel, for example, is beating down Dream Theater's door for the use of their music. 

Don't think so either. Just wondering if there was a consensus.

[Shadowmangini]

It sounds cool, it would be kind of sad to have these albums without the full LP sleeves. Anyone know if they'll include them in the box set? Recreations of those iconic album covers would be so nice to have 

[durga2112]

I have a question for those who have received their box sets already: was your set numbered in any way? I got mine in the mail the other day and the box had "#920" written on the outside. Does that mean my set is #920 of 2500, or is it NOT a coincidence that 920 is the number of my house, and this was just some sort of labelling by the post office?

Sorry for what is potentially a very stupid question - I can't actually open the set yet because it is being held as a present. 

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Does anyone know if this box set is the only way to get a new copy of I&W vinyl in the US?

[javidt]

Anyone could buy this boxset outside North America? I couldn't find any other link except the rhino's.

Just preparing myself in case I'm interested on Volume 2

[PixelDream]

Couldn't find a EU option.. otherwise I would've ordered. I have a feeling some of these boxsets can be found in some physical stores.

[chrisgazpacho]

I'm hoping this goes the same way as the ZZTOP boxset Rhino did and made them all available as single releases after the limited box sold out.  Still wish these had come out as more of a single special edition with MP's extra goodies involved.

[HOF]

New JP interview to talk about the boxset, but covers more about the band's career in general.

https://www.goldminemag.com/interviews/dream-theater-john-petrucci-on-band-never-relying-on-income-from-record-sales-more

[hefdaddy42]

New JP interview to talk about the boxset, but covers more about the band's career in general.

https://www.goldminemag.com/interviews/dream-theater-john-petrucci-on-band-never-relying-on-income-from-record-sales-more

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

the cover is really cool!!

[PixelDream]

Seriously, any European fan here that managed to order or buy one of these boxsets?

[Schurftkut]

nee, maar ook geen interesse   

[MoraWintersoul]

Nope, it's not available for order anywhere domestically in Norway as far as I can tell!

[Freeze]

Seriously, any European fan here that managed to order or buy one of these boxsets?

I got it from the Rhino site , but of course had to pay import duties etc. Still a pretty cool box to have.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

New JP interview to talk about the boxset, but covers more about the band's career in general.

https://www.goldminemag.com/interviews/dream-theater-john-petrucci-on-band-never-relying-on-income-from-record-sales-more

Great interview actually. I know people don't like hearing as much about the business side of things that JP has been known to be deeper in but it's interesting to hear him talk about it.

Tours and merch are how these guys have always made this work, and obviously the two work hand in hand. When you don't sell millions and millions of records because that's not your brand, you understand that you NEED to sell concert tickets. Once the tour sales evaporate you are so F'd in the A it's not even funny.

[Dedalus]

Great interview actually. I know people don't like hearing as much about the business side of things that JP has been known to be deeper in but it's interesting to hear him talk about it.

Tours and merch are how these guys have always made this work, and obviously the two work hand in hand. When you don't sell millions and millions of records because that's not your brand, you understand that you NEED to sell concert tickets. Once the tour sales evaporate you are so F'd in the A it's not even funny.

It was a really good read.

This heavy dependence on touring and merch in the band's finances makes us think that it probably has a big impact on complex decision-making moments, widely discussed by us over the years: the infamous "5-year hiatus"; the low demand for the Dreamsonic tour and the possible consequences of this etc.

[voncorn]

Just FYI for anyone who missed out on getting the box set or just wanted individual titles, all four of these albums are now available individually on clear vinyl.

[durga2112]

This IS interesting. I actually have FII on vinyl and it's split like this, and it actually has a proper ending to Hell's Kitchen, AND a beginning to Lines in the Sand. There's a few seconds of extra keyboard build up that you don't hear on the CD. Pretty cool, actually. Definitely not $175 cool. But cool.

Not $175 cool, but since I had none of these albums on vinyl before, this set was 100% worth it for me. This was definitely the coolest thing I noticed while listening to all the albums - the locked groove at the end of SFAM was a close second, though. I was hoping that it would have something like that, and I was not disappointed.

[Progmaniac1988]

Here's a link for the newly released clear individual vinyls for anyone that's interested. I ordered mine on here. Hopefully they arrive soon.

https://loudpizza.com/search?type=product&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=Dream+theater

[ReaperKK]

Here's a link for the newly released clear individual vinyls for anyone that's interested. I ordered mine on here. Hopefully they arrive soon.

https://loudpizza.com/search?type=product&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=Dream+theater

Damn, thanks for the link!